Talk:List of headgear

Old 2004 discussion

(copied fromUser talk:GUllman)

Hi, thanks for your edit on list of hats and headgear, it'sverypatchy at the moment.:) I was wondering why you removed Cardinal's Hat though? Cheers,fabiform|talk22:26, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Because a bishop/cardinal's hat is called a 'miter', which was already on the list. Although it was misspelled 'mitre', which I just corrected, and I added bishop's hat in parentheses after it. I think the uncommon words should have a short definition afterward so people don't have to click on all the links if they don't know what the hat they have in mind is called. GUllman20:23, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well, this list aims to (eventually) cover hats for all periods and cultures, so a couple words after each link (and eventually more sub-divisions) will be averygood idea.

I'm going to put "cardinal's hat" back though as it is the name of an older style of hat a cardinal used to wear (CARDINAL'S HAT (from 13c.) Red hat with short, rounded crown and broad flat brim. Rank was designated by the number of tassels which terminated the cords.[1]).

By the way, miter/mitre can be spelled either way, so we might as well include both to avoid confusion. I've just discovered that a mitre can be several different kinds of headgear, including an Egyptian headdress. The scope of this project it quite daunting! I'm going to copy and paste this conversation into the talk page since it probably deserves to be preserved/continued there.:)fabiform|talk20:45, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

That's right, a mitre is a specific shape - not at all like a cardinal's hat, even if a bishopwerethe equivalent of a cardinal, which it isn't. Interesting topic, though.Deb20:47, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Bishops wear miters, and so those cardinals who are bishops (most of them) are seen wearing it too. A biretta (already on the list) is a colored skullcap with three low ridges on it; anyone from a priest to a cardinal can wear it. I'm having trouble picturing a historical hat that only cardinals wore, but if there is one, title of the article should be the name of the hat, not just "cardinal's hat".GUllman21:52, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Is the "Cardinal's hat" not = "red galero with 15 fiocchi". That is, the basic hat is a "galero", aka "ecclesiastical hat" aka "pilgrim's hat", which is green for a bishop and red for a cardinal, decorated with varying numbers of tassels ( "fiocchi" ): 15 for a cardinal, 10 for an archbishop, 6 for a bishop? -Nunh-huh22:03, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

We have a winner! Galero is not in the complete OED (frown) but a google forgalero hatwas conclusive. Excellent research/knowledge on Nunh-huh's part. It can still have its own article though.fabiform|talk22:13, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, thatiswhat it is called! TheOEDhas it as an entry: "Cardinal's (or Cardinal, obsolete) hat,the red hat worn by a cardinal, taken typically for his dignity or office ". It is also included in the glossary of hats I linked to above. It is also called that on thisguide to vestmentsand thisthesaurus entry.You'll have to complain to the person who named it for not coming up with anything more exciting.;)fabiform|talk22:05, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Still on the subject of this 'ere cardinal's hat, I'm sorry if I've assumed too much. Surely the cardinal's hat is one that is not actually worn. I'm not a Catholic, but I understood that it was a kind of symbol, and that it was hung up above their graves or something, to denote their office. It's red with a big wide brim, whereas a mitre is tall and pointy.Deb22:11, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I think you're right in that it's not worntoday,but IFAIK it's a real hat in the sense that it was worn in the past, like thePapal Tiarais know a symbol more than a hat. As this list grows, we might need to hack up the religious section into "things worn today", "things not worn but still recognised as symbols" and "really historical headgear". We could start that right now if you like, or wait for the section to fill out a bit?fabiform|talk22:18, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I've removed the Porkpie/Trilby from the 'hats not commonly worn' list to the commonly worn one. They're still popular, and I see people wearing them regularly in everyday occasions.FrFintonStack23:02, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

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I should probably announce on this page that I startedWikipedia:WikiProject Hats and Headgearthe other day. It's very new... the project page isn't even organised yet, but it should in future be a good way to coordinate the work of anyone who's interesting in writing any of the (hundreds) of articles it could contain.:)fabiform|talk20:56, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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List of hats? - Nice idea;). Shouldn't there be fur caps/hats in it? Just curious,Kosebamse14:34, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

:) There are a couple furry hats (bearskin, beaver) but the list is full of gaping holes, so add any that you can think of. It was a very short list onhatuntil about a week ago, so it is very far from complete!fabiform|talk14:41, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know anything about fur hats (except that I like mine a lot) and even don't know the right words in English, so if you would like to, perhaps...Kosebamse15:05, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Graduate hat or "grad hat"?

A widespread opinion says that it is possible to find anything on internet. Perhaps! But I disperately search an historical explanation about the origins and the "why" of this strange (and ridiculous) square hat used to put on the head of the graduated students of universities.

Who invented it? When? Why? Symbolism?

Thanks --Sonusfaber07:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

SeeMortarboard.--ke4roh(talk)02:35, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

I've added the liripipe, which is certainly the term for the hood in the academic gown, although it was far more commonly used in the 13th-15th century as a functional hood with built-in scarf. It could function as a shaped snood, but also be rolled into a hat, becoming the precursor of the chaperon. The generic hood was its precursor.— Precedingunsignedcomment added by90.213.9.109(talk)02:35, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

grad-hat

mortar-board?

Terai

The Concise Oxford dictionary quote "Wide-brimmed felt hat, often with double crown, worn by white men in sub-tropical regions."

hats worn in the past or rarely today

Akubrais firstly a brand of hat, not a style. And the various common styles (includes various styles of pork pie, trilby, etc not only "cowboy" hats) that they sell are all still very much worn. Including all the bushie styles, which are worn a-plenty in the outback of Australia.

Caucasian Hat

Anyone know anything about the huge sheepskin hats once worn in the Caucasus? They don't seem to be on the list, and I've been trying to find out for a long time what they're called. You can see a picture of a man wearing one in the article onOssetians,for example. Please add even a dead link with a small description if you know what it's called!—Precedingunsignedcomment added by76.208.120.38(talk)00:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

bourkaorbörk,alsokarakulJF42(talk)13:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Jobby

Jobby Head? Is that no just someone taking the piss? Moustan86.10.97.187(talk)10:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

"Liberation" cap

I'm interested in the Chinese workers cap popularised by Chairman Mao and worn as standard dress by the peasants and workers. Does anyone have any further information on this? I've seen it refered to as a "liberation" cap, as it was worn by the peoples liberation army. Does any one have a link to an online shop selling similar ones? (Not cheap novelty copies). Thanks.82.133.90.141(talk)10:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Large baggy top hat?

Does anyone know what the hatworn by the guy in this imageis called?

I've looked through the entire list here on Wikipedia and I couldn't find one that seemed to match it.

Granbarreman(talk)21:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

'Floppy', aka 'poser's hat'?JF42(talk)13:23, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Peter Pan's hat?

Some hats are recognizable but I can't for the life of me find their proper names. Peter pan's hat (google image search), and an elf hat (which is akin to a jester's hat) come to mind.

By the same token, I have spent a good deal of time looking at a large segment of these hats to ascertain that the aforementioned hats aren't named here. It would be helpful if we could make a gallery of hats and/or group them according to style. Ideas? --ke4roh(talk)00:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Fez

Fez is not a religious hat gear. It has nothing to do with religion. Please fix this.— Precedingunsignedcomment added by31.140.106.135(talk)16:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Please cite reliable sources.WikipediaUserCalledChris(talk) 18:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)WikipediaUserCalledChris(talk)18:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Cracovian hat

Where is the Cracovian plumed hat, symbol not only of Cracow but also national hat of Poland? It needs it's own article too.192.168.1.1(talk)11:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

konfederatkaJF42(talk)13:24, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Conical straw hat

Isn't "coolie" considered racist? Sea Captain Cormac 02:04, 15 November 2016 (UTC)— Precedingunsignedcomment added byCormac Nocton(talk•contribs)

Only if used with derogatory intention, or in a context where it is considered derogatory. The general meaning of the word is 'labourer. See Wiki 'Asian Straw hat' and 'Coolie'JF42(talk)14:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Shpitzel vs Snood

The picture shows a woman wearing a snood and the photo description confirms this. A schpitzel, according to the wikipedia page, is a hat with some attached hair. That page also wrongly shows a woman wearing a snood instead of a schpitzel.Ehgarrick(talk)02:14, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Pastafarians and the colander as headgear

It was in for a long time and now it's out.

Unofficial, maybe, but headgear for some of them, yes.[2]

Should it be in this article? I think probably not, but want to hear what you think (apart from the fact that it's well funny).

Convenience links:

• Pastafarians
• Colander

Anna Frodesiak(talk)08:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

I'm a devoted Patafarian (um, lost the Spagetti Monster token from my car), but, let's face it, it's a satirical religion and a satirical hat, even though Austrian Pastafarian Niko Alm won the legal right to be shown in his driving license photo wearing a pasta strainer on his head. Other people and attorneys have both won and lost similar requests in similar situations. At this time, in my view, this doesn't belong in a list of well-recognized hat styles.Elf|Talk19:35, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Pussyhat

I'm starting to thinkpussyhatsshould have a standalone article. Thoughts?

New huffpost article:[3]

Anna Frodesiak(talk)09:00, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I am surprised they don't have an article yet. Please start one, if you will.HouseOfChange(talk)15:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Done.Pussyhat:)Anna Frodesiak(talk)23:17, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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Drinking/Guzzler helmet

Does this meet the criteria? Maybe it is under a different name?TuffStuffMcG(talk)02:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to move listing for "Miter" to men's section

In the "other headdresses" section, the miter is listed as womenswear. I'm not enough of an expert on them to claim that they've never been worn by women in any context, but in popular culture they are most strongly associated with popes and bishops, who are necessarily male. Can we move it to the section that would represent it as such?131.229.236.145(talk)19:37, 3 November 2022 (UTC)