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Project update

Regardingthis discussion,I created awatchlistso we can get a good look at the current project activity. Here's the last250 edits.Viriditas(talk)12:29, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Viriditas:great stuff, it may be worth getting the 'popular pages' for the project - if it doesn't already (Wikipedia:Lists_of_popular_pages_by_WikiProject).Jonpatterns(talk)13:34, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, that's an excellent suggestion! More later...Viriditas(talk)01:18, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Update:as you may or may not know, Toolserver is down, and many accounts are either migrated or in the process of being migrated to the new labs server. The "popular pages" list was, I believe once updated by this tool. It is not yet clear to me if this tool is still in use. However, a similar tool maintained by a bot run by User:Kaldari, appears to be active. I have made a request about using ithere.Thanks.Viriditas(talk)03:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, not sure want is happening withUser talk:Mr.Z-man,who set up the stats for the economics project. (PS - I haven't forgotten your question regard the Anti-war, but I need to spend a little time to think about that.)Jonpatterns(talk)08:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Scope of Anti-war project

Regarding the importance scale, I'm still having a problem with the scope, so I'm staying focused on that now for the moment. I stopped using the importance scale many years ago, and several large projects have deprecated the parameter and phased out its usage. It certainly gives editors busywork, but results in little benefit. The way to proceed is to organize by topic, and to figure out the scope from there. Any ideas on how you would change the current scope if you could? At present, the scope says it is focused on anti-war movements and ideologies, but it's so much more than that. Does that scope best describe whateditors are currently doing?Viriditas(talk)11:01, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

@Viriditas:I take your point about the 'importance scale' making a lot of work for little return. Although I find it interesting to look at the statistics. I guess it only becomes useful if there or a few editors willing to work on what ever the scale indicates. Regarding the scope, it does say articles relating to anti-war movements and ideologies - not just those things in themselves. It would be useful to have example which do fall under those categories, and compare to examples which should be included - but which aren't covered by that scope.Jonpatterns(talk)09:27, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

It would be helpful if you could identify the top 10-30 articles that are essential for understanding the topic of antiwar. That would help narrow the scope. In addition, a list of key concepts would be instructive. Thanks.Viriditas(talk)22:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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Can you assist us by giving your opinion on the matter of inclusion/removal of Antisemitism, Anti-Masonry, and Islamophobia? Rainbowforpeace is not budging on the issue and neither am I, so we need a third opinion (hopefully more) to determine consensus. Could you please help? Thank you.Gstridsigne(talk)10:50, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:ECONOMICS

I noticed you were in the past an active contributor toWP:ECONOMICS.At the moment it seems rather inactive. Would you want to help me to make it more active again?NotYetAnotherEconomist(talk)19:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

NotYetAnotherEconomistYes I can help in a limited way. What have you in mind?Jonpatterns(talk)22:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh great. One thing we want to do is to make the main page more accesible. Is should become easier to coordinate what to do and how to do it. The current draft is here:Wikipedia:WikiProject Economics/RedesignNotYetAnotherEconomist(talk)00:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Help withBlackboard Inc

Hi Jonpatterns, I'm looking for some help with a new draft that I'm proposing to update theBlackboard Inc.article'sHistorysection and add in a newMergers and acquisitionssection. Having noticed you made a helpful edit to the article earlier this year, I was wondering if you would be interested to take a look at my suggestions? I should note, I'm working for Blackboard Inc. to propose these changes, but as an editor with a financialconflict of interest,I will not be making any direct edits to the article. Instead, I would be very grateful if you could review my proposed changes and make them in the live article, if they look ok.

Here is thefull draftof theHistoryandMergers and acquisitionsI'm proposing in my user space, and here's adiff between the live version and my draftHistorysection,so that you can see the changes I'm proposing. Let me know if you have any questions or comments! Thanks in advance.16912 Rhiannon(Talk·COI)15:02, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi again, just a quick note to let you know that another editor has responded to my request and I'm all set now. Thanks,16912 Rhiannon(Talk·COI)12:38, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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@Robert McClenon:hence, I brought it towikipedia:third opinion.Jonpatterns(talk)20:01, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

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@Lbertolotti:Thanks for the notification. The second part of the new lede appears to be obscure, Labour economics being a combination of Labour and Nature? I will need to check refs to confirm. Having had a brief over look of the changes, I think some/most of the new material can be kept but some of the old article needs to be brought back and referenced - as you say it is important to get a balanced article that reflects the broad understanding of the subject. Note, I have recently had a disagreement with the editor making the changes. Therefore, it would be better for another editor to review the changes.Labour economics diff March 22 -> March 26

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I think the ideal would be:

1. Labour theory of value: concept and history

2. Neoclassical theory of labour and an explanation of why LTV is no longer used by economists

3. Information economics: expand this section with classic references on the field

4. Personnel economics: someone needs to check the old references

5. Criticisms

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I saw you revert a edit of his. as well as you are a member of wikiproject economics, you may interested to look up his whole edits in recent weeks in order to check whatever his merging articles is rude or not.Matthew_hktc09:31, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

@Matthew hk:Thanks for the comment. I'm going to bear in mind that Hendrick 99 hasn't always use the correct merge procedure. I don't want to review the editor's recent weeks updates at the moment, in case it may come across as a personal attack. Other users will pick up any specific problems.Jonpatterns(talk)11:48, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

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Sharing economy

In case you did not know Wikipedia is not a reliable source for sourcing articles on Wikipedia as you seem to have thought on adding that link to Venus Projects page. Also there is no connection toVenus Projectideas and the information you are adding to that page about Sharing economy. You can not add non-sourced information to an encyclopedia. I hope you understand this now. If you start reverting for no reason in essence you may be edit warring which is something you do not want to do. ThanksEarl King Jr.(talk)04:16, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

@Earl King Jr.:Thanks for the message. I am aware that wikipedia is not a reliable source. I referred to Venus Project being on the the Sharing Economy article to show that another editor thinks there is a link between the two subjects. In my opinion there is a link, the link is they treat property relations in a non-conventional way. Another article worthing linking to isGift economy.An improvement to the Venus Project article would be more details about the project and its proposed resource-based economy.Jonpatterns(talk)15:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

In my opinion there is a link, the link is they treat property relations in a non-conventional way. Another article worthing linking to is Gift economy. An improvement to the Venus Project article would be more details about the project and its proposed resource-based economy.That is your opinion and not a reliable source. Also it has zero to do with a gift economy. The problem with improving Venus projects article is that they are not particularly notable with little being written about them. Also, resource based economy ideas are not orginal with Fresco. I doubt much of anything he did was original at least except for a few failed inventions and so forth. Mostly he has tried to garner up money and has done very little in the real world that I am aware of except for media speculation things.Earl King Jr.(talk)03:23, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

@Earl King Jr.:Thanks for the reply. I did not think my opinion was a reliable source. There is a link, how tenuous is debatable. What are resource based economy ideas, and who had similar ideas before?Jonpatterns(talk)12:46, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Google or search will tell you. Do a search onThermoeconomicsand alsoTechnocracy Movement,also thephysiocratsEarl King Jr.(talk)03:51, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

You might find this history of biophysical economics interesting also[1]it kind of gives an overview of the subject.Earl King Jr.(talk)03:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

hey you thank you for disambiguating the results of my wiki-insomnia the other night. Usually I run back through and do it myself with Dabsolver, but you beat the bot to the punch! I never even got notified! In case you were wondering what all that was about with the table, I find the current layout a bit boring and was nerdifying a bit over the fact that the pictures were not lining up with their respective sections. But apparently there is some wierdness about the way wikipedia handles css and I'll have to look into it some more some other time. I think some of the documentation is out of date. But anyway, I eventually decided to leave well enough alone for the time being. I saw you resized that one image, by the way -- I made it bigger on purpose because I think that ribbon-like effect is kinda boring and I'd like to address it, but eh. We don't have to argue about this. Let's see if I can even get what I want to do to work, and then perhaps we'll talk:) I did solve a similar problem onhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_in_Otwock_Wielkikinda, I thought, but there was more text there to work with.Elinruby(talk)07:57, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Elinruby:thanks, that coffee was very nice. Regarding the pictures, I agree that the layout is a bit boring at the moment. The reason is because the article was too long, someone trimmed the text but left all the pictures. I made the pictures small as a work in progress. Probably some of the pictures will have to go. Alternatively, the 'gallery style' could be used, like you did on 'Palace in Otwock Wielki'.

The article needs re-balancing, organizing better and perhaps shortening. I have attempted to fix the table you created, ending up with just the frst paragraph in the table seemy sandbox.Jonpatterns(talk)10:08, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Jonpatterns:yeah it was a hot mess. I was kept thinking, someone is going to come onto this page and say what the hell. I really shoud have started it in the sandbox to begin with, but I have done tables before and I actually do speak css, and it looked like a trivial problem to begin with. I am not against pictures -- pictures are good --- they just shouldn't be screens and screens from their sections, not that it is quite that bad. I saw one example I rather liked but wasn't feeling ambitious enough to try last night, but I can't finc it just now. This here, though, appears to be a group of people having the sort of problems I was having. Possibly is is usefulhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table.Iwill go look at your sandbox in a bit; I am on another advernture just now.Elinruby(talk) 10:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC) @Jonpatterns:hey, I see you got that caption working on that ship picture, what was the problem there?Elinruby(talk)10:42, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

@Elinruby:When using an image without <gallery> you need to add the |thumb| option - to add the frame and caption. Inside of <gallery> you only need the filename and caption.Jonpatterns(talk)11:07, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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@TheRedPenOfDoom:So why not use theWikipedia:Proposed_mergers.This will allow more editors to consider the issue.Jonpatterns(talk)11:56, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

If you edit tendentiously over a period and are a single purpose editor as your record shows you will be subject to being blocked. Read talk page histories if you have an interest but stop editing information for your groups and making it a showcase of their Faq's material and a format for your pov. You can be blocked from editing for tendentious behavior and it appears you are edit warring or trying to edit war information without consensus on Zeitgeist and Venus Project etc type of article.Earl King Jr.(talk)08:53, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Earl King Jr.:I have not acted tendentiously over a period and neither am I single purpose editor. All I appear guilty of is having a different opinion to you. Regarding the Zeitgeist you are the one that is editing without discussing first. For the second time accusations without proof will be seen as apersonal attack.Jonpatterns(talk)09:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your interest in thecaregiverarticles. Those articles get a fair amount of traffic and I am sure that some of it is from people who are dealing with family changes. I wish that they could be better, along with the set of articles on nursing, physical therapy, and basic nutrition. I appreciate the article sorting you have done.Blue Rasberry(talk)14:20, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry:That was a lovely cup of coffee, thanks. I am studying economics which plays apart in many areas of life. One problem may be that caregiving doesn't seem to fit easily into any WikiProject. Is there a place anywhere that lists improvements that could be made to this collection of articles?Jonpatterns(talk)16:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

JonpatternsNo. If I had to choose a place then I suppose it would be either the talk page forcaregiverorTemplate:Care navbox.We do not have wiki-vocabulary to describe all the articles within a category which is too small to be a wikiproject, except to maybe call it a "task force" and discuss it on a sub-project page of a wikiproject. If there were enough suggestions then I could come up with a place to put them, but for only a few suggestions, it would make sense to post them in a usual way like on an article talk page than in some extraordinary new way.

I participate inWikiProject Medicinebut this does not quite fit in there. I might call caregiving "alternative medicine", butWP:ALTMEDincludes things like energy healing and that is not the same as caregiving, home therapy, and home nursing. It it tough to know how to organize change.

I could say more if you were really interested in this topic, but for casual collaboration if you get a small idea, ping me anytime. Thanks.Blue Rasberry(talk)16:26, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Simmons Pet Food

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@Ormr2014:a company with US$1 billion revenue is not notable? I'll add some more links that may help.Jonpatterns(talk)22:54, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jonpatterns:You're right. I was mistaken and have removed my nomination. I apologize for the hastiness.Ormr2014(talk)22:59, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

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@OnlyInYourMind:Hi, thanks for the comment. If you look at theremoved comment,the first half of it was off topic. The first is about how bias may creep into Wikipedia, and how sources should be weighted. The second half was directly related to article discussion, how to characterise the Zeitgeist film.

If the comment was off topic, why not reply stating that. It looks using a collapse box isstandard practice.Rather it seems part of a larger behaviour of Earl King Jr.'s to accuse editors with different opinions of bias and using single purpose accounts (SAG), rather than assume good faith. While the work Earl King Jr. is generally good, and sometimes SAGs have been involved, his attitude to other editors creates a hostile, non constructive, environment. It may be because he lacks the knowledge of how to check a users history when determining whether to use good faith.Jonpatterns(talk)08:29, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes he does appear combative. Not sure how to get this article back on track to cooperative characterizing of the topic. I have no experience with disruptive editors.OnlyInYourMind^(talk)08:45, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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Here,your input is appreciatedLbertolotti(talk)21:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@Lbertolotti:Thanks for the message. Do you mean in general or did you have something specific in mind?Jonpatterns(talk)22:19, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the issues listed on the talk page.Lbertolotti(talk)22:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for adding Intersex discrimination to discrimination template.

Ideally I think the best way to handle it would be to have an article on anti-Intersex discrimination. However I think that linking to the Intersex page and a section on discrimination is a good start. Thanks for being a thoughtful editor:) -Rainbowofpeace(talk)09:41, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Rainbowofpeace:I agree that a separate article would be the way to go, especially as currently the information is spread about different sections and articles. I may look into that when I have more time.Jonpatterns(talk)09:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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Finding solutions to biased editor dominance

I've alsotried to find solutions to problematic editors.I guess theWP:Dispute_resolution_noticeboardis the best place to start. Unless you have something else in mind?OnlyInYourMind^(talk)20:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

@OnlyInYourMind:thanks for the message. I've had a problem with an editor on that page. They do not engage with making the article neutral and reflecting what the sources says. Instead they accuse editors of being biased single purpose account, but then go on and insert there own bias into the article, regardless of what the sources say. Also, reverting any new edit to the article. The problem is that proving they are inserting their bias into the article and they are not engaging in meaningful discussion would means watching the article over time, and recording the order of events and discussion - as they also have an annoying habit of commenting later on discussions, after they have edited the article to their own pleasing! This can give the appearance ofsomeengagement in debate, when really they are patrolling the article. Frankly, I haven't got the time.Jonpatterns(talk)23:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk pages are really not a good place to agitate negatively about other editors. I suggest you use caution with building a case and assuming you are right calling other editors this and that. This could boomerang.Earl King Jr.(talk)00:51, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Violet

Can you please watch what you're reverting? At theHey Violetarticle, you said "Restore removed information", but you actually ended up removing a lot of helpful and sourced content that had been added to the article from that wholesale revert.Kokoro20(talk)00:34, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Kokoro20:Thanks for the heads up, I may have restored the wrong version. Someone had removed information from the top of the article.Jonpatterns(talk)09:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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Hey your edits in that article are great though one thing could be clarified... it alludes to Israeli involvement in unnamed illicit activities... could we be more specific since that section repeatedly mentions 9/11?Batvette(talk)22:25, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@Batvette:Thanks for the message. I've not seen the film, and I'm unsure. I've started a discussion on thetalk pageto see what people think.Jonpatterns(talk)23:17, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Whack! You've beenwhacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: having a trout.Jonpatterns(talk)15:04, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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I'll give you some time to look for notability (as will I). It is worthwhile to reviewWP:ACADEMICfor academic notability guidelines. Basically it means leading academic in a field, editor of academic journal, holder of endowed chair etc.. Good luck!Capitalismojo(talk)19:49, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Capitalismojo:Thanks for the link toWP:ACADEMICit will help to decide whether or notSteven Rosefieldeis notable.Jonpatterns(talk)20:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

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Is there a protocol to effect updates? You had modified my update. Curious...Anoop Bungay(talk)01:03, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

@Anoop Bungay:I've left a welcome message on your talkpage that has some resources on how Wikipedia works. Your addition read like an advert. Wikipedia aims for neutral coverage of notable topics, often third party references are required to support claims made in the articles.Jonpatterns(talk)09:44, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you John;

Sorry to be a bore; I wonder if I might get your help in modifying the Canadian section? I will read up on the material you suggested and make a draft and then ask you to critique same? Further; you mentioned an interesting point: 3rd party references are required to support claims. While the changes I made might not have met the WP standards; the claims made in my edit are "true" and can be substantiated by 3rd party objective evidence. On a personal point, I find it further interesting that "newspaper articles" are considered a good source of third party reference material since the all of the news paper articles in the Canada section fail to identify MortgageQuote Canada Corp. as the first Peer-to-Peer lending company in Canada; we started the same year Lending Club started (2006).

Finally, on a personal note, you might appreciate (give your residency in UK), that not only is our firm first in Canada, since 2008 our ISO 9001:2015 quality management system auditors and certifying body is none other than the British Standards Institute (BSI Group); the global leader in excellence in business. BSI Group provides 3rd party authentication of the fact that our firm is certified to a quality management system.

Having said the foregoing, it would be really nice to get your help in effecting our goal of updating the Canadian Peer-to-Peer lending section; once I confirm that I have read the startup material.

Your thoughts?

Anoop Bungay(talk)15:45, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

@Anoop Bungay:What classifies as a reliable third party source is slightly 'quirky'. Newspapers can be reliable, though obviously not always. You may findWP:ORGhelpful. I can not promise to review your work, but I may well do so when and if you update the Peer to peer article.Jonpatterns(talk)16:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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@Ilovetopaint:The edit note saidremoved Category:Pioneers of music genres using HotCat unclear what they pioneered,so it was made clear what they pioneered. It did not say category is potentially being retired, thanks for the heads up on the vote.Jonpatterns(talk)11:48, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

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@Dekai Averett:Thanks for the heads up. I missed the discussion on the talkpage - a note in the edit comment can be useful.Jonpatterns(talk)07:29, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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@Chrisdevelop:Hi, thanks for the message. Unfortunately, I haven't got any time at the moment to review edits on the Derek Williams draft. You could try and engage Chrissymad on the talkpage of the draft. Another possibility is to work on the article in your own user space (User:Chrisdevelop/Derek Williams (musician)))- where other users should not do unwanted edits.

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I was wondering why on the page ofTransnational_Instituteyou removed the text: "world-wide fellowship of scholar-activists: researchers, writers,scholars,journalists and documentary makers.These days it publishes research papers, books and organises seminars and debates. "as it seems to add content on the history of the organisation. Can't make it out from the edit summary either. thanksWebmind(talk)11:47, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hellos I've seen you around in various social centre related places, i was wondering if you had any interest to help getWikiProject Squattinggoing again? Cheers!Mujinga(talk)20:19, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mujinga:Thanks for the message. I don't know much about the topic but I'm willing to help out where I can.Jonpatterns(talk)13:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

awesome! i'm working onsome navbox templatescurrently, your thoughts would be welcome! and for the rest, see what you find, i've started using rater so i'm trying to get the articles assessed and add new onesMujinga(talk)16:15, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

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@Mujinga:thanks, I've commented in flavour to overturn to no consensus.Jonpatterns(talk)13:38, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hola, Template:Infoshops got deleted - a bad decision in my opinion so I requested areview.Mujinga(talk)12:33, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Hellos do you happen to know how to make tables stretch across the whole page? I've re-split the table atSelf-managed social centres in the United Kingdominto current and former projects but somehow the new tables are horizontally shrunken. All the best for 2020!Mujinga(talk)20:11, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi@Mujinga:A table's width can be fixed using style options after the table's header symbol {|, for example fix to 100%:

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Thanks for that! I was trawling through the help but somehow didn't find anything. Those tables look much better now.Mujinga(talk)10:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hiya seasons greetings, just wanted to notify you of two squatting-related discussions which might be of interest, atTalk:Squatting#MoldovaandTalk:Autonomous_social_center#Requested_move_10_November_2020.Cheers!Mujinga(talk)14:05, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

@Mujinga:Thanks for the heads up, I'll have a look. Seasonal greetings:-)Jonpatterns(talk)17:16, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

The debate has now moved on toTalk:Squatting#Kibera_/_SmithandTalk:Squatting#MacSimoin,they might be easier access points. Same root problem though. Anyhoo in more fun news, do you have anysuggestionsfor WP:SQUAT in 2021? Cheers!Mujinga(talk)16:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Jonpatterns, I meant to kick the WP:SQUAT year off by linking some questions I put atWikipedia talk:WikiProject Squattingthen I forgot to do it! Are you any good with template documentation? In any case, hope 2023 is treating you well and see you around, cheersMujinga(talk)13:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hellos! Ithinkthe templates are now good, they needed documentation before andGrimes2 gave me a hand.But feel free to take a look if you have the inclination, they're listed atWikipedia:WikiProject_Squatting#Templates.Cheers!Mujinga(talk)13:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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