Talk:2001 WUSA supplemental draft

Requested move 17 March 2024

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The result of the move request was:moved.– robertsky(talk)17:02, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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• 2001 WUSA Supplemental Draft→2001 WUSA supplemental draft
• 2013 NWSL Supplemental Draft→2013 NWSL supplemental draft

– PerMOS:CAPSandWP:NCCAPS,reserve caps for proper names. These are often lowercase in sources.Dicklyon(talk)10:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

• Neutral- Either version (uppercase or lowercase) is acceptable.GoodDay(talk)13:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

  If "either version is acceptable", i.e. as found in sources, that means automatically that only one version is acceptable on Wikipedia, the lower-case one, because perMOS:CAPS:only words and phrases that areconsistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sourcesare capitalized in Wikipedia.(Emphasis in original.) — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 11:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support:PerMOS:CAPS(these are not "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent reliable sources", but found in very mixed results across the sources with capitalization be frequently association with non-independendent publications (league and team websites, e.g. of Houston Dynamo, Washington Spirit, and Portland Timbers; fansites for leagues or teams; ticket sellers; city websites promoting events they are hosting; etc.), or are student publications, or otherwise unreliable. (This capitalization-as-promotion pattern turns out to be in play across pretty much all "sports over-capitalization" matters of this sort). Usage outside of sports news uniformly lower-case[1].Let's go over the news results[2][3]:The Equalizeruses lower-case in running text, capitalizes (everything) in headings;The Washington PostandWUSA 9(Washington DC affiliate of CBS) all use lower case consistently. But the student/fandom publicationsJMUsportsandGoTerrierscapitalize (not just this phrase but all sorts of things that are not proper names like "second team", "all-star", "college draft", etc. (very typical of amateur and promotional-leaning writing, though I also found it consistently at SoccerWire which appears to be a professionally staffed publication, just one that really, really loves to capitalize everything connected with sports). But even the first of those (JMU) uses lower-case "supplemental draft" in other articles, so it seems to have been a one-off overcapitalization by a particular writer. The amateurGeorgiaDogsfansite is inconsistent even within a single article. As noted in the related concurrent RM along the same lines (about expansion drafts),CBS Sportsis consistent lower-case or upper-case within an article but not consistent across all articles.The Athletichas been pretty consistently lower case, though I found an exception (pertaining to the NFL, not soccer) in which which it was inconsistent within the same article; same withEqualizerSoccer,and student fansiteRedAndBlack.Fox Sportswas weird, and wanted to capitalize "WUSA Draft" (we already know from the NFL debate that they favor that style), but lower-case "supplemental draft", even in a phrase as specific as "the 2022 USFL supplemental draft"[4].Yahoo!Sportswas lower-case, but we know from NFL-debate sourcing that they are not entirely consistent on such matters because they often syndicate content from outside their editorial control.

  In short, it is not possible that this "is" a capitalized proper name that WP must capitalize, when the external sources mostly don't capitalize it except when they are writing promotional, fandom, or amateur material. No one writes "the himalayas" or "nigeria", because theyaretreated as capitalized proper names (in a "substantial majority" of sources and then some); meanwhile "[league name here] supplemental draft" is very often given with "supplemental draft" lower-case, especially in the work of independent and professional writers. So the capitalization failsMOS:CAPS/WP:NCCAPS.

  PS: There is such a tiny amount of actual independent coverage of the NWSL supplemental draft (at all, not just that particular year) that I strongly suspect this is a goodWP:AFDcandidate on notability grounds; what salvageable material there is can simply be merged in summary form into the league article (or maybe it has some per-year side articles). — SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 11:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

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