Talk:Audi S8

Safety Equipment/Ratings

There appears to be no information from EuroNCAP about the sfaety rating of this car. However, i have found this:http://autos.msn /research/vip/Reliability.aspx?year=2007&make=Audi&model=S8&trimid=103976 5 reviews only but all rate on average 9.8 and it got 5 stars in every area for reliability. Thats's remarkable even for just a small amount of reviews from owners. ThanksJenova2010:48, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Model Year Problems

Production is stated as ending in 2002 for the S8 and there is no 2003 listed but I own a titled 2003 S8. There is also several other documented 2003 MY S8s. Can the year be changed to 2003?—Precedingunsignedcomment added by173.15.47.94(talk)04:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Keep separate from Audi A8

All other Audi S and RS cars likeAudi S4andAudi RS6have separate pages from their mainstream counterparts, so does theBMW M5andBMW M3.MonkeyKingBar(talk)14:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Same car upgraded slightly. None of the AMG models have separate pages.OSX(talk•contributions)14:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I support spinning off AMG models from their mainstream counterparts.MonkeyKingBar(talk)21:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:CARSsupported the AMG mergers. Considering the D2, D3, and D4 models share very few components yet have a single page, why should a trim level of the A8 which shares the vast majority of its componentry with the mainstream version be given a separate page? This does not make sense at all to me.OSX(talk•contributions)06:14, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately there is no such consensus for Audi S and RS models, nor is there one for BMW M.MonkeyKingBar(talk)16:27, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The S8 has a lot of distinct components not found on the regular A8.[1]MonkeyKingBar(talk)16:37, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

That article does not state anything insightful. Both the A8 and S8 use an aluminium space frame structure, both have the same panels, interiors, et cetera. We are talking about suspension upgrades and a different engine. The rest is simply minor cosmetic upgrades likes wheels and bumpers. Even with engines, the regular A8 range has significant variation.

You still have not address the above point in that the D2, D3, and D4 A8s which are grouped in one page are significantly different cars, yet the "S8" trim level is supposed to have a separate page.OSX(talk•contributions)09:10, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The Car and Driver article was to refute your assertion that the Audi S8 was merely a slightly upgraded version of the Audi A8.

The reason why we have to keep the Audi S8 as a separate page, aside from following precedent set by the other Audi S and RS pages, is because at the present we don't have spinoff pages for each generation of Audi A8 (D2, D3, D4), whereas that has been the approach for Mercedes-Benz S-Class (W126, W140, W220, W221). However, having to go to different pages for generations for each AMG S-Class is somewhat cumbersome.MonkeyKingBar(talk)16:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Not having separate generational pages is not a reason to necessitate two pages split based on a marketing creation. The current page is of reasonable length. With only three generation of the A8 so far, I don't think we need to go down the separation route as of yet. Personally, I feel it is cumbersome to have to navigate to a different page to read about a different A8 trim level of the same generation.OSX(talk•contributions)08:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

That is the same approach for the other Audi S and RS models, and that is actually better organization.MonkeyKingBar(talk)16:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

The S8 is nothing but an equipment level, like GL or SE. Absolutely no reason to have its own page. The other S and RS models are also candidates for merger, but the S8 is definitely one of the first that should go. We will need to hear from a few more editors before I'll start asking that it be called consensus.⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃(talk)17:00, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

The other argument for keeping the S8 as a separate article is that it is considered a distinct nameplate, whereas the Audi A8L can be considered more of a trim level.

Similarly, theFord Crown Victoria Police Interceptorhas its own page apart fromFord Crown Victoria.Function-wise the Police doesn't target the the same customer as the regular Crown Vic, like the S8 to the A8.MonkeyKingBar(talk)18:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Most of the info in the S8 article is specific only to the S8, so there isn't much synergies or duplications that can be found by merging it with A8, and the end result of a merger would be an overly long and bloated article. Consensus has not been reached yet, and even when it has been reached, the onus is still on you two to incorporate the material into A8 properly (the AMG info is messy and somewhat appended onto the end) before considering a merger.

The lesser evil is to leave the articles separate, which also makes it easier for contributors to add S8-specific material without unbalancing a supersized A8 article.MonkeyKingBar(talk)17:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)