User talk:Jay2kx

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An RfC that youmaybe interested in...

As one of the previous contributors to{{Infobox film}}or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been aRfCstarted on the talk page as toimplementation of previously deprecated parameters.Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!

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Re: Korean IPA

I'm familiar with it, but not an expert. Need help with something?quant18(talk)05:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Quant18,I was wondering if you think this is right:Template:Hangugeo.☴Jaewon[Talk]12:25, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey, sorry not to get back to you quicker, crazy couple of days. Only one change:Korean pronunciation:[tɕʌnh^(j)ebin].Basically, the "ㅈ" (e.g. in her surname) is unvoiced at the start of a word. Cheers,quant18(talk)14:00, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Quant18,no problem. Wow, I was one character short of getting it right. Thanks.☴Jaewon[Talk]14:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Quant18,I found thistemplateand it produces[d͡ʑeːoːnhjeːbiːn].Different from what we have.☴Jaewon[Talk]15:24, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hmm:

1. I think you have to pass it "eo" as a single parameter: {{IPAc-ko|j|eo|n|h|y|e|b|i|n}}.
2. There's a rule inTemplate:C-ko(the backend forTemplate:IPAc-ko) to allow "j" to show up as /tɕ/ instead of /dʑ/ at the beginning of words, but I can't figure out how to use it. So I guess you also have to manually distinguish those two situations (and "g" = /g/ or /k/, "b" = /b/ or /p/) in the template: {{IPAc-ko|tɕ|eo|n|h|y|e|b|i|n}}
3. However even after those two changes, the result is not entirely correct: the template assumes that all vowels are long (that's what the colon-like symbol is for). This is definitely incorrect. The default assumption (particularly in names) should be to write the vowels without any length marker, because many speakers no longer distinguish long vs. short vowels.

So unfortunately I think this template is still a work in progress, and for now it's better to write out the IPA manually using the table atKorean phonology.quant18(talk)02:04, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Opps, I didn't notice that while I was typing. Yeah, I noticed that nobody else has worked on it and the creator hasn't been on for a while.☴Jaewon[Talk]02:09, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Namoo Actors

I am not familiar with AfC procedure. The article looks borderline notable, with my gut feeling being not notable, due to very few independent sources. Perhaps it could be improved with Korean ones, but for now it looks spammy. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|reply here}07:51, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I think the article is somewhat promotional as there is not that much coverage in independent sources, but there's probably borderline enough for me not to worry about it too much. Thanks for taking interest in AfC! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|reply here}04:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Merge. Or if you feel lazy, move to mainspace and tag with merge tags. (That's why I dislike all the AfC, draft, sandbox and such things... to much content is duplicated, or forgotten). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|reply here}04:34, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for reassessingKrystal,I am trying to improve this page:)

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Sandbox Reviewed

I'm new to Wikipedia so just wondering why my sandbox got reviewed? Is that a formal process? Thanks. --TerryAlex(talk)18:47, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thank you. I was just wondering because that page is pretty much just "nonsense" that supposed to be read "only" by me.

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Go Eun-bi

Merge discussion has been closed, in favor of merging it toLadies' Code.But currently I have some urgent things to do in real life, so can you help merging it? Thanks,—Revi_complaint?16:40, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

@Hym411:Sorry about the late reply, my computer's heatsink needed to be replaced. I'll try to merge it because I have this odd feeling that it might get undid.☴Jaewon[Talk]00:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Hmm, it seems that there's still some disagreement, but it should be resolved with discussions. —revi^{^}10:16, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

@Hym411:I don't think many of them understand that they can't use her death as a way to keep the page.☴Jaewon[Talk]13:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, and that will be primary reason of undo (if someone does so). PS 1: You don't have to ping me every time you reply: I'm watching this page. PS 2. I saw your userpage and found me onReliable Contributors- Thanks! xD —revi^{^}14:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

And they might put us on their wall of shame for merging their articles. Feels like its WP Korea vs K-pop for some reason. It's a reminder for me and others of people who are reliable. You're welcome! xD☴Jaewon[Talk]14:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I saw you finished the merge. Thank you! —revi^{^}13:26, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. I almost forgot how to merge at first. Haha! Hope nobody tries to undo it.☴Jaewon[Talk]14:11, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks,Kkj11210.☴Jaewon[Talk]20:59, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Jay2kx. Thanks so much for restoring my student's work on Suicide in South Korea. It is her first Wikipedia contribution and your support will help make this a much better experience for her.DStrassmann(talk)19:28, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

DStrassmann,you're welcome.☴Jaewon[Talk]20:57, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Korean drama/GA1

What's the problem (2nd opinion requested) here? I would like to help;)—revi_msg09:36, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. We needed somebody else (besides me) to review it to see if it meets good article criteria.☴Jaewon[Talk]15:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, I haven't performed GA review either, so maybe find mentors onhere?There's mentor section... If you fail to find one, I can do it though (which will be really incomplete).—revi_msg01:14, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try that.☴Jaewon[Talk]01:21, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Kpop article help

Hello. I'm a fairly new editor to Wikipedia trying to de-fan some of the Kpop articles. I saw some of your comments from earlier this year on the Korea working group and thought maybe you could help me. I've taken a few actions myself, namely removing the lists of nicknames from various singers and variety personalities' infoboxes. But I want to nominate some articles for deletion, namely some of the out-of-control articles written about couples from 'We Got Married'. Some couples have articles dedicated just to them, which surely isn't appropriate (there are no articles for John & Yoko, for Lucy & Desi, both of whom are 1000x more notable than WGM couples). One couple even has articles for each season of the show, just for that couple. To me, that's like an article called "Songs by Mariah Carey with 'Love' in the Title." And there are navigation boxes at the bottom of the articles with links to the 'husband' and 'wife's Wikipedia pages, their management companies' pages (which have nothing to do with WGM), and anything else the creators thought they could squeeze in there. Surely none of this belongs on Wikipedia?!

However, I have no experience with making such nominations. I'm afraid people will argue they are notable because there are (as with everything in Korean entertainment) gazillions of articles in Korean media on those couples, which have all been faithfully translated by Allkpop and fansites into English & other languages. ((In fact, the whole "notability" issue seems difficult in the area of Korean entertainment by Wikipedia standards, because so much of the media coverage is for promotional purposes and as such is unrelated to notability. There are also, IMO, issues with the non-fact-checked nature of many articles in the Korean media when it comes to claims about Kpop-related revenues, concert attendance, etc - most media just reprint whatever the company tells them, and a lot of time it's not true. Of course, the Korean media won't say this and the foreign media don't care, so how to address this? But that's a deeper discussion for another time - though one I'd like to eventually have.)) I have read through deletion nomination documentation but I can't figure out what violations to cite and some of the other requirements (where to post stuff) is a bit murky/overwhelming also. Can you help with some guidance? Or point me to other sensible, experienced editors who could help? I tried the Teahouse but got zilch; things just move too fast there for anything in-depth.

Thank you so much.Shinyang-i(talk)08:41, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)If you wish to nominate something for deletion, you are looking forWP:AFD.—Revi16:11, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

That "Talk page stalker" made me laugh.☴Jaewon[Talk]21:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Shinyang-i,what articles are those nav boxes on?☴Jaewon[Talk]21:13, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick replyJaewon&Revi.The worst infobox is onYongSeo,but even theWe Got Marriedinfobox is mainly an excuse to link to couples pages that shouldn't even exist in the first place, calling them "notable couples" (YongSeo,Khuntoria,andTaeun). The WGM infobox also has a section for "other couples" but only lists a few of them (with links to each individual's article). Like, I don't even understand what's going on there. I can't really see why 'We Got Married' needs an infobox at all, and I can't see how any of those couples pages (and the associated 'Khuntoria in season 2' and 'Khuntoria's background music' articles, etc.) are appropriate for Wikipedia. But I'm afraid someone will cry that it's all notable, because there have doubtless been a quadrillion articles in Korean media on all of those subjects. Can you help advise with the appropriate criteria to cite for AFD? Thank you so, so much!Shinyang-i(talk)22:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Shinyang-i,that's true. I feel like articles likeYongSeoand others could be merged with the season that they belong to. But messing with it is like poking a hornets nest. Either way, I left a question on WGM's talk page to see if any of the main contributors will reply back to it and if nobody replies back before Thursday, we can propose a move.☴Jaewon[Talk]04:09, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you,Jaewon.This is exactly the kind of help I was hoping for, to observe the kind of procedures that are appropriate (like moving a page versus deleting, and seeing subsequent processes). This entire "hornets' nest" situation reminds of all the anime articles, and how a lot of that was allowed to get out of control because only/mostly anime fans were involved in any of the decisions. When only fans are calling the shots, things get judged differently than and of far greater importance related to the rest of Wikipedia. Thank you, again, for the guidance - it's very useful & educational!Shinyang-i(talk)01:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

It is like with K-pop articles too and it depends on the subject or people. I checked the talk page of WGM and one person replied. Hopefully, more people will reply soon.☴Jaewon[Talk]02:14, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. Is there any centralized place kpop article discussions occur (or should occur)? I found a discussion or two on the Korea working group but nothing that addresses a lot of the things that probably should be discussed about these articles for consistency's sake, and to avoid having essentially the same discussion a hundred times. I think many/most (?) of the kpop editors don't read the working group or even the article talk pages a lot, but that's their loss. Examples of possible discussions - which awards are appropriate to list, amount of detail appropriate on list articles (example, an un-responded-to discussion I tried to start hereTalk:List_of_South_Korean_idol_groups_(2010s)), if a group has no independent English-langauge sources is it notable in English Wikipedia?, etc. Ideas? Thanks again for any guidance. ^^Shinyang-i(talk)20:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Shinyang-i,that's the main problem on wiki is that a lot of kpop editors don't even use the talk pages. There was a discussion in May related to certain awards (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture#Allkpop and Soompi Awards listed in award sections of musicians). And groups that haven't debuted yet shouldn't be listed at all even if they have a lot of references about them. I did see that the list (2010s) is lacking the amount of references that the previous years have. We did work on a list ofreliable sourcestoo. My method of trying to get other editor's attention is pinging the main editors of the article in the talk page of the article. Also, I'll propose a mass move/merge of the WGM pages when I get the chance tomorrow.☴Jaewon[Talk]02:26, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Quick question,Jaewon- has there ever been a consensus on those silly weekly music show "awards" that are givenevery single weekonevery single music show?Some of these awards lists make 2-year-old kpop groups look more important than The Beatles. I know it's had to have come up before. Eek!Shinyang-i(talk)02:08, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Shinyang-i,I'm sure there had to be a discussion at one point but haven't seen an archive of it. That's true, those shows don't seem to carry a lot of weight when somebody wins them. Especially if you know that a certain person or group is going to win anyways if it is a new song (sadly, even if it sounds awful). They are basically like MTV's TRL and BET's 106 & Park except with live (or pre-recorded) performances instead of music videos. If there were more editors communicating as a whole, it would solve the problem.☴Jaewon[Talk]02:54, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a discussion that needs to happen. Do you think the Korea working group page past discussions have been on is a good place to try to start something?Shinyang-i(talk)02:57, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Shinyang-i,that is a good idea. And if you can't find what you're looking for, then I might can help. I tried to put everything in these two:Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Reliable sourcesandWikipedia:Wikiproject Korea/Article guidelines.☴Jaewon[Talk]03:08, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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