Talk:East Flemish

LanguagesLow‑importance

	Language portal This article is within the scope ofWikiProject Languages,a collaborative effort to improve the coverage oflanguageson Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can jointhe discussionand see a list of open tasks.LanguagesWikipedia:WikiProject LanguagesTemplate:WikiProject Languageslanguage articles
Low	This article has been rated asLow-importanceon theproject's importance scale.

BelgiumMid‑importance

	Belgium portal This article is within the scope ofWikiProject Belgium,a collaborative effort to improve the coverage ofBelgiumon Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can jointhe discussionand see a list of open tasks.BelgiumWikipedia:WikiProject BelgiumTemplate:WikiProject BelgiumBelgium-related articles
Mid	This article has been rated asMid-importanceon theproject's importance scale.

Attencion East Flemish speakers!

If you are fluent in East Flemish, please go to the following page: Talk:Dutch_language#Requested_help_from_Dutch_and_Flemish_people_from_all_Dutch_speaking_regionsand help complete a project concerning all Dutch dialects. Rex13:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unmotivated tag

As far as I can see, there is no contradiction whatsoever between the content of this article and that ofnl:Nederlandse dialecten,let alone a serious one. Who is responsible for this tag and on what grounds could it have been assigned? I am very curious to hear which reservations on whose side there possibly could be here. It looks like some unexplicable mystery. --Ad43(talk)15:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ISO code

I wonder why there is no ISO 639-2 code for East Flemish, while there is one forWest Flemish?Can I create a userbox for East Flemish? Fairflow(talk)18:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Subdialect of Brabantian Dutch?

East Flemish is heavily influenced by Brabantian, but I think the core is still Flemish. Can someone check a source for this?Nico(talk)14:14, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It depends. The dialects from the eastern part of East Flanders (Sint-Niklaas, Aalst, Dendermonde) are plain Brabantian. The dialects from the western part of the province (Ghent, Eeklo, Oudenaarde) are a mixture of Flemish and Brabantian. But when it comes to phonology and morphology, those dialects are nowadays closer related to Brabantian than to (West) Flemish. Some characteristics of the so-called "Brabantse expansie" go even as far as Waregem.

Perhaps this will do as asource.Heer van Robaais(talk)13:16, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(I was typing this at some point). Too much of a generalisation, in my opinion. The Aalst and Dendermonde dialects, alongside those of the Waasland region, have a distinct Brabantian character to them (n dropping, heavy diphthongs that turn /œy/ into /ɔɪ/, a clear difference between /h/ and /ʝ/), but they are very different from the way people talk in Eeklo or Oudenaarde (deletion of schwa in plural suffixes, /o:/ turning to /ø:/, /ʝ/ consistently realised as /h/). Geraardsbergen has an isolated dialect as well, which has preserved the mediæval /sk/ cluster. And that of Ronse shows great similarities to the urban Ghent dialect. At a lexical level, I should be inclined to say that East Flemish has definitely more in common with West Flemish than with the Brabantian dialects. There are numerous words and expressions shared by East and West Flemish, even though they may be pronounced somewhat differently. One should bear in mind that East Flemish is really agroupof dialects which forms a transition between Brabantian and West Flemish; it is not so much a single dialect continuum. The regional differences are too great.Northerner(talk)13:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. It takes a lot of imagination to conceive the dialects of East Flanders as a single entity (and the same goes for the so-called Flemishtussentaal,by the way). If you ask me, the termEast Flemishwas coined by Flemish scholars to popularize linguistics.Heer van Robaais(talk)13:41, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So maybe this article should be renamed to Dialects in East Flanders, as 'East Flemish' is not a linguistic thing?Nico(talk)14:10, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The use ofEast Flemishhas become so widespread, that it is not really necessary to rename the article.

Compare it to the termOld Dutch.From a linguistic point of view, the termOld Low Franconianwould be more correct. But most people in the Netherlands and Flanders use Old Dutch.Heer van Robaais(talk)14:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm de source stated in this talk doesnt call east-flemish a subdialect of brabantian, with the exception of the denderstreek. They are also in some sources, including the woordenboek der vlaamse dialecten, with westflemish. Perhaps it is best to speak of a transition group between west-fkwmish and brabantianNychus(talk)00:49, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand the issue correctly,East Flemishis just that: a transitional area between West Flemish and Brabantian that is historically closer to the former. Because of that I strongly oppose the renaming (there also are dialects spoken in the area that are historically Brabantian). If the majority of the linguists agree that East Flemish has been so influenced by Brabantian that it's best to classify it as a West Brabantian dialect, then *maybe* we should move it toWest Brabantian.Sol505000(talk)07:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]