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Tayside derby
Banner and card displayby fans of St Johnstone (left) and Dundee United (right) at the2014 Scottish Cup Final
LocationTayside,Scotland
Teams
First meeting23 September 1911
St Johnstone 1–0 Dundee Hibernian
1911–12 Scottish Division Two
Stadiums
Statistics
Meetings total532 (August 2024)
Most winsDundee United (154)[a]
All-time record
  • Dundee United (154)[a]
  • Dundee (122)
  • St Johnstone (122)
  • Draw(134)

TheTayside derbyis a football rivalry based inTayside.The matches are contested by the three professional clubs in the region:Dundee,Dundee UnitedandSt Johnstone.

A match between Dundee and Dundee United, whose grounds are in the same street, is referred to as aDundee derby.St Johnstone are based inPerth,20 miles fromDundee.

In seasons where all local derby matches were traditionally held on the same weekend (including at New Year), the Dundee derby would take precedence if all three clubs were in the same league, and any uneven number of Tayside teams would lead to one usually playingAberdeen,who had no closer rivals geographically.

Followers of the Dundee clubs generally consider their city rivalry as far more important than any relationship with St Johnstone, with Dundee captainCharlie Adamstating in 2021 prior to aScottish Cuptie with theSaintsthat there was no such thing as a Tayside derby;[1]opposing goalkeeperZander Clarkdid not refute this outright but highlighted the increased travelling support typically brought to each ground for matches due to the close distance between Perth and Dundee,[2]bringing more local interest into league fixtures particularly in seasons where the Dundee clubs are in different divisions and no city derbies are played.

Achievements

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Between them, the three clubs have won thirteenmajor trophies(as well as finishing runners-up/beaten finalists 26 times across the three competitions), with St Johnstone's three triumphs all the most recent, but they are still behind the Dundee clubs who have each won four cups and onenational league championship.

In the season following their title wins, the Dundee clubs each progressed to the semi-final stage of theEuropean Cup(Dundee in1962–63,United in1983–84). Dundee also reached the semi-finals of the1967–68 Inter-Cities Fairs Cup,while Dundee United were runners-up in the1987 UEFA Cup Final.St Johnstone have never made a major impact inEuropean football,although they qualified for Europe six times between 2014 and 2021, more than either Dundee club managed in the 21st century.

All three clubs have endured spells in the second tier, but St Johnstone are the only club to have dropped into the third tier for a short period. Between them, they have won thesecond tier championship14 times, and have lifted the minorScottish Challenge Cupon four occasions up to2017–18.

Achievements by Tayside clubs

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Up to and including season2023–24.

Club Top tier
seasons[3]		 Scottish League (level 1)[4] Scottish League (level 2)[5] Scottish League (level 3)[6] Scottish League (level 4)[7] Scottish Cup[8] League Cup[9] Challenge Cup[10]
W RU 3rd W RU W RU W RU W RU W RU W RU
Dundee United 62 1 0 8 3 4 0 0 0 0 2 8 2 5 1 1
Dundee 99 1 4 1 6 5 0 0 0 0 1 4 3 3 2 1
St Johnstone 53 0 0 3 7 3 0 1 0 0 2 0 1 2 1 1

Dundee United vs St Johnstone

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Perhaps the most famous meeting between theTerrorsand theSaintswas the2014 Scottish Cup FinalatCeltic Park,won 2–0 by St Johnstone to secure the first major trophy in their long history.[11]

In1991,the clubs met in the semi-final stage of the same tournament, Dundee United winning that match atEast End Park[12][13][14]to set up a final againstMotherwellwhich theylost 4–3 after extra time.

Results table

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As of: 24 August 2024.[15]

Competition[b] GP DUT Dr STJ DUTG STJG
League[c] 160 59 43 58 224 221
Scottish Cup 4 2 0 2 6 7
League Cup 17 12 3 2 43 24
Total 180 73 46 62 273 252

Dundee vs St Johnstone

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Dundee host St Johnstone atDens Park,2006

The two clubs met in the semi-final of the1967–68 Scottish League Cupat Tannadice. Dundee won 3–1,[16][17]but went on to losethe finaltoCeltic.St Johnstone also lost out (in a replay) at the same stage of that season'sScottish Cupto eventual winnersDunfermline Athletic.[12]

Prior to that, Dundee's greatest triumph – winning the1961–62 Scottish Division One,the only league title in their history – also involved heartbreak for St Johnstone, as theDark Blues,needing only a draw to secure the championship, won 3–0 atMuirton Parkon the final day, a result which saw the home club relegated ongoal average.[18][19]

Saintsgained a small form of revenge many years later, with both teams in the second tier, when they won 1–0 at Dens Park to all but confirm their return to the top flight by winning the2008–09 Scottish First Division[18][20](it was not mathematically certain at that point, although they eventually held a 10-point margin by the season's end).

Results table

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As of: 30 March 2024.[21]

Competition[b] GP DFC Dr STJ DFCG STJG
League[c] 153 61 39 53 223 194
Scottish Cup 10 6 2 2 22 10
League Cup 12 6 2 4 23 15
Challenge Cup 1 0 0 1 1 5
Total 176 73 43 60 269 224

Dundee United vs Dundee

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Main article:Dundee derby

The city rivals contested the1980 Scottish League Cup Final,held at Dens Park after lots were drawn. United's 3–0 victory was one of the early signs of them becoming a force in Scottish football along withAberdeen,with the two clubs' spell of success and relative geographical proximity leading to them being dubbed theNew Firm,challenging Glasgow'sOld Firm.Previously existing in Dundee's shadow, the United team built byJim McLeanhad won theprevious editionof the League Cup too, their victory over Aberdeen also played at Dens in a replay after a draw atHampden Park;Paul Sturrock was a scorer in both years.

Dundee United would win the league title in1983,and once again it was Dens Park which was the scene of their victory, winning 2–1 over Dundee thanks to a memorable chipped goal fromRalph Milneto top the table by one point from Celtic and Aberdeen.[22]They also came out on top 3–2 in the semi-final of the1986–87 Scottish Cupbetween the teams played atTynecastle Park,[23][24]although lostthe finaltoSt Mirren.

TheTangerines'good fortune at Dens Park ran out in May 2016, however, as Dundee won the city derby 2–1 to confirm United'sdescent to the second tier.[25]

Results table

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As of: 4 August 2024.[26]

Competition[b] GP DUT Dr DFC DUTG DFCG
League[c] 141 66 34 41 234 178
Scottish Cup 18 8 7 3 30 21
League Cup 16 7 4[d] 5 27 26
Total 175 81 45 49 291 225

Totals for three teams

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As of: 24 August 2024.[15][21][26]

Competition[b] GP DUT DFC STJ Dr DUTG DFCG STJG
League[c] 454 125[a] 102 111 116 458 451 415
Scottish Cup 32 10 9 4 9 36 43 17
League Cup 45 19 11 7 8[d] 70 49 39
Challenge Cup 1 0 0 1 0 0 1 5
Total 532 154 122 122 134 564 542 476
Total goals: 1,582

Notes

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  1. ^abcdIncludes fixtures played under the Dundee Hibernian name
  2. ^abcdDoes not includeunofficial wartime competitions,or regional tournaments like theForfarshire Cup.
  3. ^abcdIncludes matches in different divisions, and from the different eras:SFL,SPL,SPFL
  4. ^abIncludes 1 penalty shootout victory for Dundee in 2017 following a draw, counted as a win in the source but usually considered a draw

References

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  1. ^Dundee v St Johnstone is NOT a derby, says Dark Blues skipper Charlie Adam ahead of all-Tayside Scottish Cup clash,The Courier, 2 April 2021
  2. ^St Johnstone goalkeeper Zander Clark weighs in on Charlie Adam's Tayside derby comments,The National, 4 April 2021
  3. ^"Scotland - All-Time Table (since 1890/91)".RSSSF.10 April 2014.Retrieved29 July2018.
  4. ^"Scotland - List of Champions".RSSSF.31 August 2017.Retrieved29 July2018.
  5. ^"Scotland - List of 2nd Level Champions".RSSSF.12 May 2016.Retrieved29 July2018.
  6. ^"Scotland - List of 3rd Level Champions".RSSSF.18 June 2005.Retrieved29 July2018.
  7. ^"Scotland - List of 4th Level Champions".RSSSF.12 May 2016.Retrieved29 July2018.
  8. ^"Scotland - List of Cup Finals".RSSSF.8 June 2017.Retrieved29 July2018.
  9. ^"Scotland - List of League Cup Finals".RSSSF.30 November 2017.Retrieved29 July2018.
  10. ^"Scotland - All-Time Table (since 1890/91)".RSSSF.10 April 2014.Retrieved29 July2018.
  11. ^"St Johnstone make Scottish Cup history as MacLean sinks Dundee United".The Guardian.17 May 2014.Retrieved12 February2018.
  12. ^ab"Scottish cup preview: atonement in reach for St Johnstone".The Scotsman.9 April 2011.Retrieved21 February2018.
  13. ^"Edged out in East End thriller".St Johnstone F.C. 9 April 2011.Retrieved21 February2018.
  14. ^"St Johnstone v Dundee United in the Scottish Cup – Previous Meetings Part 2".Saints History. 13 May 2014.Retrieved21 February2018.
  15. ^ab"St Johnstone head-to-head statistics (filter: vs Dundee United)".Fitbastats.Retrieved19 February2018.
  16. ^"Let's make a third national final".St Johnstone F.C. 2 February 2010.Retrieved21 February2018.
  17. ^"1967 Scottish League Cup semi final – St Johnstone 1 Dundee 3".Saints History. 23 January 2014.Retrieved21 February2018.
  18. ^ab"Dundee's 1962 title triumph saw Perth side relegated as a direct result".The Scotsman.24 April 2009.Retrieved21 February2018.
  19. ^Famous for ever in Dundee,Scottish Professional Football League,27 April 2012
  20. ^"Division One: Dundee 0 St Johnstone 1".Daily Record.27 April 2009.Retrieved21 February2018.
  21. ^ab"St Johnstone head-to-head statistics (filter: vs Dundee)".Fitbastats.Retrieved20 February2018.
  22. ^"Dundee 1 Dundee United 2".The Blizzard. 1 December 2013.Retrieved21 February2018.
  23. ^"Played for Dundee and Hamilton – John Brown".Dundee F.C. 18 August 2016.Retrieved21 February2018.
  24. ^"Remembering Dundee United in 1986-87: 70 matches, two finals, no silverware".The Guardian.18 March 2015.Retrieved21 February2018.
  25. ^"Dundee 2–1 Dundee United".BBC Sport. 2 May 2016.Retrieved21 February2018.
  26. ^ab"Dundee United head-to-head statistics (filter: vs Dundee)".Fitbastats.Retrieved20 February2018.
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