User talk:Alalch E.

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Welcome to my talk page!

I like to keep things compact, and don't have any great ideas for my user page yet, so my signature directs here.

I was a long-time reader andlurker(since 2003). I appreciate theFive pillarsand the idea ofopen knowledge,and want to give something back; this is why I began editing in 2021. I'd like to receive your feedback on anything I've done. Expect a reply!:)

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DRV

Thanks for that. I looked, but couldn't find actual directions for closing a DRV as there are for pretty much all other such discussions, so I just copied code from the above DRV and modified it. Perhaps at some pointXFDCLOSERcould include this functionality.El Beeblerino ^{if you're not into the whole brevity thing}22:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeeblebroxYou're welcome. They're inWikipedia:Deletion review/Administrator instructions.XFDcloser working for DRV sounds reasonable even if 'X review' is not 'X for discussion/deletion', agreed. —Alalch E.23:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about the ElevenLabs quote being removed

Hi! I agreed with pretty much all of your edits on the 15.ai article, but I was confused by why the ElevenLabs quote was removed for being promotional. The quote "it became a one-stop shop for voice clones of all your favorite real-life and fictional characters." was referring to 15.ai, not ElevenLabs, so I felt like it was appropriate for the Legacy section.GregariousMadness(talk to me!)05:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's still an ad for ElevenLabs because it "subtly" advertises ElevenLabs' ability to do the same. —Alalch E.05:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... I see. What about the quote "[15.ai] became the go-to text-to-speech tool for anyone who wanted to create lifelike and realistic AI voices for any reason"? It doesn't refer to "your" so I feel like this one should be better?GregariousMadness(talk to me!)05:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't speak directly enough to the legacy, like the other quotes in that section do. What that quote says is basically what the article has established up to that point, except that it does it with a promotional twist, so I really think we're better off without it. —Alalch E.05:52, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, I guess that makes sense. Would truncating Play.Ht's quote to "breakthrough in the field of text-to-speech (TTS) and speech synthesis" be fine?GregariousMadness(talk to me!)05:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should stick to wiki-notable entities in that section. The quote from the notable company's Speechify website, attributed to a named individual is much much better than Play.ht and Resemble AI quotes. I'd only keep the Speechify quote, honestly. —Alalch E.05:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree to an extent, but PlayHT is a pretty notable player in the voice AI space. They recently raised over $20M in a seed round, and even though they don't have a Wikipedia page yet, they definitely are one of the major companies working on voice AI alongside Speechify and ElevenLabs. I think including a quote from PlayHT underscores the legacy quite a bit.GregariousMadness(talk to me!)06:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can live with Speechify and Play.ht, but I'd stop there with the company quotes. —Alalch E.06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, got it. I'll also argue for Resemble AI, though, because they were a big player in the open source voice AI space around the same time as 15.ai. They built Resemblyzer ([1]), which was pretty big at the time. But other than those three, I think that should be fine?GregariousMadness(talk to me!)06:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's too much of that stuff for me. Resemble AI is barely mentioned anywhere else on Wikipedia. This could be seen as a plug. Should be avoided. —Alalch E.06:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the same is true for PlayHT... okay, take your pick: Resemble AI or PlayHT:) —Alalch E.06:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I removed the Resemble AI quote. Thanks for the discussion!GregariousMadness(talk to me!)06:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, and thanks for reaching out. —Alalch E.06:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, one last question: would you say the following quote supports the removed statement about 15.ai's legacy on fan communities? "Millions who generated lines for memes, fan productions, or just to hear their favorite characters speak were part of a grand experiment—a preview of an AI future that promises extraordinary creativity alongside serious ethical quandaries."GregariousMadness(talk to me!)06:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it supports the idea that there's this cultural aspect of the legacy. —Alalch E.06:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I will re-add the sentence (minus the unsupported part) with the new source.GregariousMadness(talk to me!)06:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about the most recent edit

How can I start the discussion? Should I make it on the 15.ai talk page, or would you prefer to discuss it here? I can copy it over if you feel that's more appropriate.

I personally believe that an "In fandom culture" is relevant to the article because it was fundamentally intertwined with fan communities both in its development and impact. The platform's development was directly enabled by fan-created datasets and it subsequently transformed how these communities created content. This was particularly notable in the My Little Pony, Team Fortress 2, Portal, and SpongeBob SquarePants communities, so I believe talking about the specific content that was created as a result of 15.ai is a good thing to have and improves the article perWP:VNOT.It frames the application as a cultural phenomenon that transformed online fan communities, and not just a technological innovation.GregariousMadness(talk to me!)20:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll respond on the article's talk page. Basically, this is tied to the discussion which I had already started about repetition. I'll make a new comment there shortly. —Alalch E.20:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, thank you. I saw that you were reviewing some of the articles I was creating, so I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look atProcesi bundle,which I just created. It might be a bit too technical for the general audience right now, but I'm not really sure how I can make a topic as abstruse as this more accessible to the layman—any tips would be appreciated!GregariousMadness(talk to me!)21:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I'm able to do that. You can also ask for feedback on a WikiProject's talk page where there'll be editors with backgrounds in the relevant area. —Alalch E.21:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I'm not sure if this is the correct barnstar for this, but thank you for being patient with me and helping me become a better editor on Wikipedia. Your feedback means a lot to me.GregariousMadness(talk to me!)22:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I appreciate your openness to feedback, and hope to collaborate with you on various other articles in the future. —Alalch E.02:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tamzin Hadasa Kelly RFD

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Kill Two Birds with One Stone

For the record, IDC. Thanks for letting me know though.Steel1943(talk)23:39, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. —Alalch E.23:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion atThe Substance

Please, achieve a consensus onthe Talk pagebefore making further edits. This edit is not correct and is inconsistent with what is already stated in the lead. I believe you are misreading "version of oneself" which does not imply that the version is actually oneself.Caleb Stanford(talk)23:50, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Caleb Stanford:What is the meaning of "not correct" when the plot as written does not describe the things which happen in the film and there is no source for the plot point? I'll just go and look for a source.

About "inconsistent with what is already stated in the lead", please seeWikipedia:Writing better articles# "Lead follows body"—Alalch E.00:16, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm saying you should update the lead then, too, if that's your position. Let's take this discussion to the talk page, I'll post there. Thanks,Caleb Stanford(talk)01:18, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am glad to see that you postedon the talk page,but I am little disappointed that in the first posting there you foresawthat further discussion will not be constructive.Sincerely, —Alalch E.10:59, 10 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]