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On this page, the deletion or merging oftemplatesandmodules,except as notedbelow,is discussed.

How to use this page

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Whatnotto propose for discussion here

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The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in thetemplate namespaceandmodule namespaceshould be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed atCategories for discussion,as these templates are merely containers for their categories,unlessthe stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed atMiscellany for deletion,regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies acriterion for speedy deletion,tag it with aspeedy deletion template.For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with{{Db-author}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particularWikipedia policies or guidelines,such as thespeedy deletion templates,cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List atRedirects for discussion.
Moving and renaming
UseWikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

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  1. The template violates some part of thetemplate namespace guidelines,and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or bytemplate substitution(the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks),and has no likelihood ofbeingused.
  4. The template violates a policy such asNeutral point of vieworCivilityand it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it,WikiProject Templatesmay be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted byconsensushere. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

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To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process.The use ofTwinkle(explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix shouldnotbe included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion isprotected,make a request for the TfD tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the{{editprotected}}template to catch the attention ofadministratorsorTemplate editors.
  • For templates designed to besubstituted,add<noinclude>...</noinclude>around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates:If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with{{subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}}or{{subst:Tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}}instead of the versions given above, replacingdiscussion titlewith the title you chose (but still not changing thePAGENAMEcode).

Related categories:If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add{{Catfd|template name}}to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacingtemplate namewith the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use{{Catfd|header=title of nomination}}instead.)

TemplateStyles pages:The above templates will not work onTemplateStylespages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024_November_29#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Followthis linkto edit today's TfD log.

Add this textto the top of the list:

  • For deletion:{{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted.~~~~}}
  • For merging:{{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged.~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add{{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}}directly after the|text=before the why (or alternatively, after the}}of theTfd2/Catfd2).

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates:If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted.~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters|). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged.~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters|), plus one more in|with=.|with=does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories:If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the|text=field of theTfd2template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in thepage historyortalk pageof the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of theother templatefor a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interestedWikiProjectsaware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not useArticle alerts.Deletion sorting listsare a possible way of doing that.

Multiple templates:There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

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While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD(see above),nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply withWikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give thecriterionthat it meets.

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WikiProjectsare groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{subst:Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project'sArticle Alertsautomatically, if theysubscribe to the system.For instance, tagging a template with{{WikiProject Physics}}will list the discussion inWikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

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While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify thegood-faithcreator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in thepage historyortalk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist"it for another seven days of discussion. (That" someone "may notbe you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to theHolding Celluntil the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

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Twinkleis a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them haveautomatic alerts.It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

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Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand thedeletion policyand explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommendsubstorsubst and deleteand similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found atWikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

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Administrators should read theclosing instructionsbefore closing a nomination. Note thatWP:XFDclosersemi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

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November 29

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Template:Cv-unsure

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Deprecated and no longer used.* Pppery *it has begun...04:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Abigail Adams Smith Family tree

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Unused and only two links for the family tree. None of the other members have articles and possible they are not notable. Not much use for a template to navigate with. And there is only one Adams family article that is related to this, but it's mainly about the political family of former President John Adams and John Quincy Adams.WikiCleanerMan(talk)00:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Greater Lansing Activities Conference

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Unused and a navbox for a defunct conference. No use here.WikiCleanerMan(talk)00:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 28

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Template:Rollback and reviewer granted

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How often are people getting both of these rights at the same time? I don't see why we should have a template specifically for this instead of just using{{Rollback granted}}and{{Pending changes reviewer granted}}separately. – 🌻Hilst(talk|contribs)23:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete– these are "thematically related", so I can see why the template was created, but I don't think that outweighs the costs of duplicating templates. If this could be reimplemented as a "thin wrapper" around{{rollback granted}}and{{pending changes reviewer granted}},I'd support keeping it.jlwoodwa(talk)23:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,Plastikspork―Œ(talk)15:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 27

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Template:2025 road cycling season by team

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No links at all. Not 2025 yet.WikiCleanerMan(talk)19:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Yukiyo Teramoto

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Unused and no mainspace for filmmaker. A draft exists but unlikely to meet notability standards anytime soon.WikiCleanerMan(talk)19:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Politics of Bremen

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Unused, no mainspace, contains irrelevant links, or links to general politics topics about Germany instead of Bremen, and huge blocks of text for the Judiciary section. No use here.WikiCleanerMan(talk)19:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wilmington Radio

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Templates in use for Delaware and North Carolina radio markets; unsure where this more ambiguous template would be usedKawa(talk)19:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:GUAM Leaders

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GUAMis an inactive organization. It simply doesn't matter today. It is not talked about in the news. Countries in it have diverging geopolitical priorities. I don't think we need this navbox listing four people, some of which haven't really ever interacted with this organization since they took office, I can't see much use for it. And the bottom of the articles ofMaia Sandu,Volodymyr ZelenskyyandIlham Aliyevare already bloated with enough navboxes.SuperΨDro12:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Railway accidents and incidents in 1972

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Unused copy/paste without attribution duplicate ofTemplate:1972 railway accidents,Template:1973 railway accidents,Template:1974 railway accidents,Template:1975 railway accidents,Template:1976 railway accidents,Template:1977 railway accidents,andTemplate:1978 railway accidents.Gonnym(talk)11:10, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment– 'Railway accidents and incidents in xxxx' is the format currently accepted within Wikiproject Trains for these templates, as opposed to the old 'xxxx railway accidents' format. However, all existing 'Railway accidents and incidents in xxxx' (about forty of them, from 1972 to 2022 or so) were erroneously created as copy-paste from the old templates, instead of the old templates being moved to the new title. I'm not sure what's the best way to tidy this up. All years before 1972 will now be done the proper way; for later years' templates I suppose some admin action is required to sort them out. --Deeday-UK(talk)11:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    History merge is needed for those that aren't tagged here. These can be deleted and then the current one moved.Gonnym(talk)12:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, it's not that the template content is the same between old and new templates (I'm talking about template years 1979-2022): the content has been reformatted to make it neater and more legible, which was the main idea behind the migration from the old style templates to the new ones. The content of the new templates should be preserved; only the histories should be merged. --Deeday-UK(talk)20:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge,including history where possible. See alsoUser talk:The Emperor of Byzantium#Railway accidents and incidents in 1979.--Redrose64🌹 (talk)14:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Deletethe new ones, which have no significant history. If there is a new consensus name, the existing templates can be moved to the new name(s). –Jonesey95(talk)17:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, it's not that simple, it's not just a case ofWP:CUTPASTE:the old template's content was reformatted and then put into the new templates, giving a neater and more legible layout based on the{{vad}}template. Deleting the new templates would wipe out a lot of good reformatting work that was indeed backed by project consensus on both the new template's name and its new layout. I'd be happy to do the work required to sort out this cock-up (since I did most of the aforementioned reformatting work), although I'm not an admin (nor do I aspire to become one), so I'm a bit limited in what I can help with. --Deeday-UK(talk)20:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment– To clarify the work that was done here: compare theold template for the year 2002withthe new one.It's not just that the name has changed; the content is significantly different (and is laid out in a much improved format in the new template). Any action intended to restore the full template history should ensure that the current content is preserved. --Deeday-UK(talk)21:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,Izno(talk)02:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cinema chains in Canada

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Navbox template with only one item in it. As always, the purpose of navboxes is tonavigatebetween related articles, so a navbox serves no purpose if there's only one thing in it.Bearcat(talk)23:11, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete.The related category has more entries, but it's neither's the nominator's or other editors' job, to fix or transclude navigation templates that the creator of the template didn't care enough to do.Gonnym(talk)12:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,Izno(talk)02:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment(as I've already voted): one article is still showing that this template isn't wanted. The onus on adding transclusions should be those wanting to keep the navbox. Either the navbox is useful on all of the links it has, or it isn't (WP:BIDIRECTIONAL).Gonnym(talk)07:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now on 16 articles.WikiCleanerMan(talk)23:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikispecies redirect

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I start from the philosophical perspective thatWikipedia is an encyclopedia,and we should therefore make use of the sister projects when they help us build a better encyclopedia, but that otherwise we should give them no special preference over any other content anywhere else on the internet.

This template was boldly created in 2017 without a larger discussion (or at least nothing was mentioned in the edit summaries). It takes a similar form to the much more widely used{{Wiktionary redirect}}.However, unlike Wiktionary redirect, which helps us provide information readers searching for terms that would never warrant an article, Wikispecies redirect functions more like a loophole in our notability guideline. The vast majority of its uses are for biologists that would not be notable for an article.

We have notability standards toconstrain the size of the encyclopedia and reduce the maintenance burden,and I do not see a reason that we should carve out an exception for biologists just because our parent organization also happens to run a non-encyclopedia project that — unlike us — finds it appropriate to create a database of biologists. Such an exception opens some floodgates: If the WMF created, say, a Wikipaintings project that had a database of all visual artists without a notability bar, would we want soft redirects there? How about soft redirects to any concept with a Wikidata item? Or let's say we find a highly reliable non-WMF database of musicians — why not create soft redirects there for all musicians that can't survive AfD?

Either a biologist is notable and should have an article, or they are not and should not be included in Wikipedia. The only redirect in the latter case should be "go search the internet".Sdkb talk00:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep- The plain{{soft redirect}}templateis not used in the mainspace(along the lines of the sentiment expressed atWP:SOFTSP). This allows such redirects to exist until the community decides whether or not they should through deletion or discussion venues. See, for example,this deletion discussion;there were no uses or foreseen uses, so the template was deleted. Should the community decide that a link tometawas necessary, it would likely be restored.Thisis an example of it going the other way. Even if the regular soft redirect template was technically disallowed from being invoked into the mainspace, attempts at it would lead to disarray -- at the bare minimum, this serves to plug such holes until the community makes a decision about retention or deletion.
We must also remember that the general rule for the creation of a soft sister redirect is for a topic to have a less-than-encyclopedic scope and be either commonly wikified words or repeatedly recreated (WP:SRDandWikipedia:Wikimedia sister projects#Soft redirects from Wikipedia to a sister project). At least some of the scientist soft redirects that use this template probably have several wikilinks on other pages in the encyclopedia (but, regardless, that is an individual case matter for rfd).—Godsy(TALKCONT)05:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This allows such redirects to exist until the community decides whether or not they should through deletion or discussion venues.This is a discussion venue, and I'm using it to start a discussion about whether this template should exist or not.Sdkb talk05:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • keepWrong venue. Nominate the redirects that use this at RfD, not the template.* Pppery *it has begun...04:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Pppery,my argument is that this template has no valid use case, so this is the intended venue.Sdkb talk05:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your argument is fundamentally about the merits of redirects, not templates. Suppose this were closed as delete. The template couldn't be deleted without orphaning it. The redirects that use the template couldn't be deleted without a discussion at RfD since TfD has no authority to delete redirects (other than those pointing to templates it deletes). So what would happen?* Pppery *it has begun...05:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is not a template that is used to categorize redirects; an example usage is a page likethis.If this is closed as delete, these pages would be blanked and then eligible for deletion under{{db-blanked}}or another criterion. I'm not sure TfD has authority over soft redirects.
    Overall, this seems the most appropriate venue. If you're concerned about visibility, I can put notices onWT:Redirectsor one of the village pumps.Sdkb talk05:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My concern isn't visibility. My concern is jurisdiction. What you're really asking is to delete a bunch of redirects, including ones that previously survived RfD. And this TfD would do that by the back door.* Pppery *it has begun...05:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And my concern isWP:BURO.If you'd like to move the nomination to somewhere you consider more appropriate, go ahead. Otherwise, we'll consider it here.Sdkb talk06:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • In general, RfD is the best venue to discuss redirects. So I suggest this nomination – which is really about redirects, not a template – should head over thataway.J947‡edits07:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm seeing a lot of these while linking up new enwiki pages to Wikidata. There are a number that have articles on other Wikipedias, which might be worth investigating. For others, the wikispecies articles might provide interesting bases for new enwiki articles. Thanks.Mike Peel(talk)21:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,Izno(talk)02:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WT:WikiProject Redirecthas been notified about this discussion.—Godsy(TALKCONT)10:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikibooks redirect

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This template has been around since 2017 but has only 6 mainspace transclusions, so it has never caught on. It has a theoretical use for book titles that are not notable for an encyclopedia article, but in that case, a corollary ofthe notability backdoor argument I madeabout{{Wikispecies redirect}}applies.Sdkb talk00:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,Izno(talk)02:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WT:WikiProject Redirecthas been notified about this discussion.—Godsy(TALKCONT)10:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikimedia Commons redirect

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This template has been around since 2017 but has only 7 mainspace transclusions, so it has never meaningfully caught on. I'm not sure what sort of title it would be used for — perhaps a name of a photo that's somehow famous enough that people might reasonably search for it but not famous enough to be notable? In that case, I'd find it inappropriate, per a corollary ofthe notability backdoor argument I madeabout{{Wikispecies redirect}}.Sdkb talk00:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,Izno(talk)02:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I adjusted some of them slightly, but those all seem like great local targets! It may now be appropriate to consider the deletion of this orphaned template; however, it would need to be restored if the community ever decided it was appropriate to target something to this sister site through a discussion at RfD (bar ablanket community prohibition against itand asthe regular soft redirect template is not used in the mainspace). It must be pointed out that deleting this actually causes more potential maintenance for the community than keeping it. The template is very stable and requires little maintenance. Generally, when a redirect is created to commons it is as a hard redirect (or regular soft redirect). A bot converts the former (to regular soft redirects) while human hands convert the latter. If this is not available as a solution, theneveryone must either be targeted locally or listed at redirects for discussion (as when people create asoft redirect to a foreign language wiki). Thus, it reduces the workload to retain this in the event it becomes useful—which is why I am still, albeit less-adamantly, in the keep camp.—Godsy(TALKCONT)09:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The concern with keeping it is that its existence is likely to promote inappropriate usage.Sdkb talk20:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WT:WikiProject Redirecthas been notified about this discussion.—Godsy(TALKCONT)10:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Archive-index

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This template is only used on a handful of manually-curated archive indexes. It can be replaced with{{archive|type=index}}.Something similar was suggested at theprevious merge discussionseveral years back but not implemented.Rjjiii(talk)02:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 26

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Template:Lil Wayne series

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I am proposing deletion with the same justification asWikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_6#Template:Kanye_West_series—Template:Lil Waynealready does the job with a more thorough listing of articles and the list of related people and companies in the Lil Wayne series is similar to the deprecated 'associated acts' field ofTemplate:Infobox musical artist(see that 2Chainz and Captain Chronic wereadded to the template,unlinked, with no given justification). It also wouldn't be viable or relevant enough to use this template on many of the pages it lists.Miklogfeather(talk)21:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2026 NFL season by team

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These navbox templates will not be usable for two years and do not have main articles. –Jonesey95(talk)18:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleteper nom.~WikiOriginal-9~(talk)19:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Paula Deen

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Two entries.WP:NENAN.--woodensuperman16:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Anchors of CBS This Morning

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TextbookWP:PERFNAV.These are hosts of a TV programme.--woodensuperman16:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Oxygiene 23

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One album, lots of redirects.WP:NENAN--woodensuperman16:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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Propose mergingTemplate:WikiProject Tampa Bay BuccaneerswithTemplate:WikiProject National Football League.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers is not a WikiProject, but a subproject of NFL @Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Tampa Bay Buccaneers subproject.

Add|buccaneers=to{{WikiProject National Football League}},replace{{WikiProject Tampa Bay Buccaneers}},then delete{{WikiProject Tampa Bay Buccaneers}}.

See similar previous TfDs:

~Tom.Reding(talk⋅dgaf)15:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Pittsburgh Steelers

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Propose mergingTemplate:WikiProject Pittsburgh SteelerswithTemplate:WikiProject National Football League.
Pittsburgh Steelers is not a WikiProject, but a subproject of NFL @Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Pittsburgh Steelers subproject.

Add|steelers=to{{WikiProject National Football League}},replace{{WikiProject Pittsburgh Steelers}},then delete{{WikiProject Pittsburgh Steelers}}.

See similar previous TfDs:

~Tom.Reding(talk⋅dgaf)15:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Carolina Panthers

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Propose mergingTemplate:WikiProject Carolina PantherswithTemplate:WikiProject National Football League.
Carolina Panthers is not a WikiProject, but a subproject of NFL @Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Carolina Panthers subproject.

Add|panthers=to{{WikiProject National Football League}},replace{{WikiProject Carolina Panthers}},then delete{{WikiProject Carolina Panthers}}.

See similar previous TfDs:

~Tom.Reding(talk⋅dgaf)15:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Monsters (2010)

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Two films.WP:NENAN--woodensuperman15:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Mimic

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Three films, no franchise article.WP:NENAN--woodensuperman15:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Terror Within

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Two films.WP:NENAN--woodensuperman15:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cyborg Cop

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Three films, no main article.WP:NENAN--woodensuperman15:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Arrival 96 series

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Two films.WP:NENAN--woodensuperman15:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:The Hidden

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two articles only.WP:NENAN--woodensuperman14:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 25

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EYOF figure skating templates

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Despite having the word "Olympic" in the name, this is not in any way a major skating competition. We also do not have templates for all skating disciplines at this event. As it is, many figure skating articles have become excessively cluttered by a voluminous number of templates at the end, such that it's difficult to see the forest through the trees. We really need to be more judicious in terms of which templates are truly the most beneficial.Bgsu98(Talk)21:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2023–24 Celtic Challenge table

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template's are not used for other rugby union seasons.SimplyLouis27(talk)21:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. Then I guess the likes of the URC template for the season, Template:2024–25 United Rugby Championship table, the Super Series Template:2023–24 Super Series league table etc. must be figments of my imagination.Aedis1(talk)21:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024–25 Celtic Challenge table

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Template is not used for other rugby union season's so not needed for this oneSimplyLouis27(talk)20:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Book Marks

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New template with only two uses that generates article text. Using templates to generate article text is generally discouraged.* Pppery *it has begun...20:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Book Marks2 should be deleted. the other two are required. What do you mean "text is generally discouraged". you gave no substantive evidence of this. provide specific policy or guideline citations that outline this. While it's true that templates generating article text can sometimes be problematic, they are not inherently "discouraged". There are many widely used that generate consistent, reusable text without issue. and even parallels to this likeRTalready exist and are not being discussed for deletion. In this case, just like the one I just indicated, the template promotes accuracy and uniformity for articles discussing reviews aggregated by Book Marks, which benefits both readers and editors.
And it only has two uses because I just made it. naturally the template has limited usage at the moment because it is newly created. Deletion based on current usage isn't a fair metric for assessing its utility. Templates often start small before wider adoption. If this template is retained, I plan to integrate it into relevant articles to demonstrate its potential.
template streamlines and standardze how we represent Book Marks review data across articles. It reduces the likelihood of inconsistencies, ensures grammatical correctness, and simplifies future updates to format or wording. Editors can still adjust the parameters for flexibility.Create a template(talk)05:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
update:
1. I'm using onlyTemplate:Book MarksandModule:Book Marksnow. The others are unnecessary.
2. I've provided substantive edits to the Template:Book Marks/doc to demonstrate not only usage and flexibility; also defending its utility, potential, and overall benefits to wiki community — both editors and readers.Create a template(talk)06:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was actually curious about the guidelines here as well. Just from the Rotten Tomatoes template you linked, I looked at the talk page, which linked to two TfDs: one inMay 2021with result "keep" and one inMarch 2022with result "no consensus". Within the second discussion, I found a clear guideline citation:WP:TMPG(permalink) guideline #1 which saysTemplates should not normally be used to storearticle text,as this makes it more difficult to edit the content. They should alsonot be used to "collapse" or "hide" contentfrom the reader.Retro(talk|contribs)11:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support deletion here. Even if using templates to generate article prose was a norm, there is no consensus thatthis specific textbelongs in articles at all. To the contrary, two different discussions atWikipedia talk:WikiProject Novelswere very skeptical of drive-by citations to review aggregators. In my view, those who wish to cite Book Marks ought to write sentences like normal, and ideally write a meaningful book reception section while they’re at it.~ L🌸(talk)07:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On reflection, I worry that my comment was too harsh. I do think the specific sentence generated by this template is acceptable. However, when the sentence is generated by a template, it becomes harder to integrate into the rest of the reception section, and thus hinders the development of the article into its best form. So I still support deletion.~ L🌸(talk)01:06, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:How-to

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Propose mergingTemplate:How-towithTemplate:Manual.
These seem to say the same thing, in different words ( "contains instructions, advice, or how-to content" / "written like a manual or guide" ).

Reducing the number of available duplicative templates makes it easier for editors to find the template suited to an issue which they wish to flag.Andy Mabbett(Pigsonthewing);Talk to Andy;Andy's edits17:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IranNCSGN

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No point in external link template for a dead link.* Pppery *it has begun...17:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Grand Slam in figure skating

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Incomprehensible and unwieldy. I would like to clarify that this template features five separate tables, some very large, while one features only one person, and no explanation as to what the differences are between the five. Additionally, all tables feature all four skating disciplines. As it is, many figure skating articles have become excessively cluttered by a voluminous number of templates at the end, such that it's difficult to see the forest through the trees. We really need to be more judicious in terms of which templates are truly the most beneficial.Bgsu98(Talk)01:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I've never heard these terms used in figure skating (as opposed to tennis). I watch a lot for decades and decades and tv never used it.Fyunck(click)(talk)21:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Figure skating scores templates

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Incomprehensible and unwieldy. As it is, many figure skating articles have become excessively cluttered by a voluminous number of templates at the end, such that it's difficult to see the forest through the trees. We really need to be more judicious in terms of which templates are truly the most beneficial.Bgsu98(Talk)01:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 24

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Template:PIE

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Replace usages with{{lang|ine-x-proto}}and delete.

Proto-Indo-European languagehas been supported for a while now by{{lang}},which additionally provides various checks, validations and categories, that this template does not.

The main difference between the two templates is that PIE does not italic the text or adds an asterisk (*), while Lang does. That means that when replacing, if a PIE usage

  • has an asterisk, it should be removed
  • wraps the template in italics, they should be removed

Seethis editas an example.

Also somewhat related, "pie" is incorrect to use here as that is the language code for thePiro Pueblo language.Gonnym(talk)13:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,✗plicit23:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Who's Who

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template'stalk pageor in adeletion review).

The result of the discussion waswithdrawn.(non-admin closure)Absolutiva(talk)04:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who's Whoin the UK is considered generally unreliable perWikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 368#RfC - Who's Who (UK),due to its poor editorial standards and history of publishing false or inaccurate information. Its content is supplied primarily by its subjects, so it should be regarded as aself-published source.Absolutiva(talk)22:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:-ve range

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Single-use typing aid template; no documentation. Creating in 2008. Subst and delete.HouseBlaster(talk• he/they)17:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:List spam

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Redundant to{{Promotional}}(into which{{Advert}}was recently merged) or to{{Promotional section}}.Hasonly seventransclusions, which can be replaced by one or other of those (e.g.[8]).

Reducing the number of available duplicative templates makes it easier for editors to find the template suited to an issue which they wish to flag.Andy Mabbett(Pigsonthewing);Talk to Andy;Andy's edits17:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:PHF profile

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PremierHockeyFederation.com has been a dead link since a couple days after the PWHL purchased the PHF in June 2023. There's no likely hope of recovering any stats, and no suitable redirect.MikeVitale16:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletesince the site is dead. The template seems to already have been removed as it is currently unused.Gonnym(talk)18:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lang-hmd

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Unused language template. If text inA-Hmao languageshould use "Miao Unicode" for proper rendering (and not for stylistic or user preference) then that can feature can be added toModule:Lang.No need for additional language templates.Gonnym(talk)16:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2027 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification – UEFA group tables

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template'stalk pageor in adeletion review).

The result of the discussion wasmove to userspaceFrietjes(talk)15:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused sports template. The template states that the first matches will be placed in over a year. Create the template then.Gonnym(talk)16:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Userfyto my own userspace until more detailed information is available.
@Gonnym:I would be willing to move this now to quickly close this nomination because I am not a huge fan ofbureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy.—Jkudlick⚓(talk)16:40, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure if you can move this without leaving a redirect or just tag the redirect for speedy deletion after you move it.Gonnym(talk)16:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym:The move is done, and the redirect has been tagged forWP:G7.—Jkudlick⚓(talk)21:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Module:User:Poster Nutbag/SandboxModule

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Poster Nutbag/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/whitespacebug

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/region topic

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/previewbug

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/portalCheck

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/pageSubster

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/icon

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/html

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/gambiarra

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/ah

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:User:Mr. Stradivarius/RGConvert

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Unused sandbox or test module. If the user still wants it move to the user's sandbox perModule:SandboxtoModule:Sandbox/Mr. Stradivarius/module name,else delete.Gonnym(talk)15:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:B-Robo Kabutack

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WP:NENAN.This navbox has only two blue links.ArmbrustTheHomunculus14:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete.Only one valid link, not enough for a navbox.Gonnym(talk)22:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/UEFA Euro 2020 final

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Editnotice no longer needed. Event is long over. –Jonesey95(talk)08:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/List of Suite PreCure episodes

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Editnotice blanked as no longer needed, after talk page discussion. –Jonesey95(talk)08:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/Life Speaks to Me

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Editnotice was blanked after the target page was changed to a redirect per AFD. –Jonesey95(talk)08:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/J Street

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Editnotice was blanked as no longer applicable to the target page. –Jonesey95(talk)08:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/Dengeki Sentai Changeman

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Editnotice was blanked becauseits content was no longer valid,according to a talk page request. –Jonesey95(talk)08:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/Alzheimer's disease

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Editnotices no longer in use. They were blanked when FA status was removed from the corresponding articles. –Jonesey95(talk)06:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Testcase

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Propose mergingTemplate:TestcasewithTemplate:Test case.
{{Testcase}}is referred to as the legacy version of the spaced{{Test case}}.They should be merged.HouseBlaster(talk• he/they)21:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.I do think that the amount of coding that would be required to create a wrapper for the old template so that all the params can translate into the new one would be overly burdensome, and I don't think that the time spent reprogramming old test cases to follow the format of the new template would be worth it. As such, I don't think that template merging here would improve the encyclopedia on a net basis, so I think they should be kept. —Red-tailed hawk(nest)05:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replace all usages (122) and delete template.Don't merge anything that the new template can already do, and only merge specific features if actually needed.Gonnym(talk)12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy with that outcome, too.HouseBlaster(talk• he/they)21:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,✗plicit03:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 23

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Template:Metamask.com

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I don't really see a purpose of this being a template, as it appears to just be a copy of the text ofMetaMask.—Red-tailed hawk(nest)20:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/Home video game console

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Editnotice blanked as no longer applicable. –Jonesey95(talk)15:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/Hippocrates

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Editnotice no longer in use. It was blanked when FA status was removed fromHippocrates.–Jonesey95(talk)15:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Archive/sandbox2

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Unnecessary fork, hasn't been updated in over five years. – 🌻Hilst(talk|contribs)13:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.It is still a viable approach to solving a still-present user-visible bug in the template.DMacks(talk)16:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I pinged the current talkpage regarding the bug, so it's now part of an active discussion. Hopefully the bug will get fixed (in which case, sandbox not need) or this TFD has reminded me to take another look at it.DMacks(talk)17:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete,I moved this when moving the module for a merge, but the sandbox2 page is not needed. Like the nominator says, it hasn't been used in years.Rjjiii(talk)16:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.SandboxNpages should only be kept if work is still being done to them. These are not pages we should keep indefinitely.Gonnym(talk)15:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It it literally linked in an active discussion.DMacks(talk)18:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where? "What links here" has no "Talk" namespace link there other than your talk page from the TfD notification.Gonnym(talk)18:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template_talk:Archive#Later_archives_not_linked,_take_n+1the diff link in my "(alternately..." comment from 12:12, 24 November 2024.DMacks(talk)21:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, you used a URL and not a wikilink so there would be no way for it to appear on the link list. That said, calling it anactive discussionis a bit of a stretch, as it was only active after the sandbox was nominated. If it wouldn't have been nominated, the template would likely continued to be forgotten.Gonnym(talk)11:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your ABF is noted. Seems pretty simple to consider that things get forgotten-about until someone else notices to remind one to revisit and act. Otherwise it would be forbidden to object to XFD of anything that was ignored for a while. As can be seen from several recent XFD of my old items, I have no problem letting things be deleted (or even explicitly endorsing such) when I no longer have current plans to act use them.DMacks(talk)22:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Use Ugandan English

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I am unable tofind any discussions leading to the creationof{{Use Ugandan English}}byCobaltcigs.Ugandan Englishexplains that this dialect makes use of phrasing that would not be acceptable here on Wikipedia perMOS:COMMONALITY,and uses misspelled standard English words. We would never accept those misspellings here, so these templates should probably go away. I have found no information about whether Ugandan English is based on British or American English, so I can't recommend conversion to a redirect at this time. Evidence supporting a redirect is welcome. –Jonesey95(talk)00:16, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep.Uganda's sole official language was English through 2005, and it remains one of the country's two official languages. There is a distinct variety of English that took hold there (Ugandan English), and it makes sense to keep this template specifically for that variety in line withMOS:ENGVAR.—Red-tailed hawk(nest)20:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide sourced evidence for differences between Ugandan English and standard American or British English that would be relevant to written work here at Wikipedia. I was unable to find any in theUgandan Englisharticle. –Jonesey95(talk)06:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepAt this stage nom has failed to provide any compelling reason to delete this template. English is an official language of Uganda. PerWP:TIESarticles related to Uganda should use the variety of English used in Uganda. The nom admits they have no idea what spelling variety is used in Uganda. That's not a reason to delete the template.AusLondonder(talk)14:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is no evidence that thereisa variety of English used in Uganda that is different from standard British or American English. Please provide sources or an example of Ugandan English spelling or vocabulary used in a Wikipedia article that would not be used in an article about another place. –Jonesey95(talk)16:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would suggest that you consult the relevant scholarly literature, such as this2016 paperandthis paper from 2000.That there is a distinct variety of English in Uganda is totally uncontroversial among scholars.
    I don't understand the basis for your claim that[t]here is no evidence that there is a variety of English used in Uganda that is different from standard British or American English.In fact, I would kindly ask in return: do you have scholarly sources that you are basing that radical claim on, or is the push to delete this template based merely on sloppy guesswork? —Red-tailed hawk(nest)22:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How is Ugandan English different from British or American English in a way that is applicable here on Wikipedia? We can't accept misspelled words or non-standard phrasing that would not be understandable by the majority of English speakers, so this template is not usable as a guide for writing articles. –Jonesey95(talk)07:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.I keep seeing "keep" votes in these related discussion that read as if their pride is hurt, and not arguments based on the actual issue. These templates are meant to inform editors that thespellingof this article should use a specific variant. If Ugandan English has no unique spelling to it and it uses American English, then there is no need for that template. We could, to quite the masses, add to the documentation and banner that Ugandan English also uses this.Gonnym(talk)11:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not Ugandan, so my pride is certainly not hurt. What evidence is there that Uganda uses American English?AusLondonder(talk)13:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


November 22

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Template:Editnotices/Group/Wikipedia talk:Friendly

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Editor created a blank editnotice. CSD was declined, so here it is at TFD. There does not appear to be an applicable group editnotice to be suppressed (see the edit summary upon creation), but maybe I missed it. –Jonesey95(talk)23:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hiberno-English

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The articleHiberno-Englishclearly and competently explains thatIrish English's writing standards, such as its spelling, align with British English.The rest of the article explains the differences in pronunciation (not relevant since Wikipedia is a written medium) and regionalisms (also not relevant becauseMOS:COMMONALITYsays not to use regionalisms:Use a commonly understood word or phrase in preference to one that has a different meaning because of national differences).

I propose that these templates are redundant and that they should be redirected to{{Use British English}}and{{British English}}.

There is a detailed discussion about these and similar templates happening atTemplate talk:EngvarB.–Jonesey95(talk)23:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirectper nom, absent compelling evidence of relevant orthographic differences.Retro(talk|contribs)00:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirectordelete.Templates like these should be used to help editors and all these do is create confusion.Johnuniq(talk)01:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:Please also note that theprevious TFDthat resulted in a "keep" outcome had a completely different rationale. The "Keep some"!votes at that TFD are worth reading. –Jonesey95(talk)02:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in thelist of Ireland-related deletion discussions.Spideog(talk)11:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepThe templates provides a helpful guide to the variety of English that prevails in the article. I check English variant before editing.Spideog(talk)11:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Coinnigh éTá siad úsáideach le haghaidh earraí Gaeilge.SerialNumber5412911:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The above text in Irish is aKeepvote. EditorSerialNumber54129is not doing himself or us any favours by hiding his comment in a lesser known language.Spideog(talk)16:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're obviously a musical chap... téigh ag feadaíl!:DSerialNumber5412915:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep.From a practical perspective, and as noted in theprevious TfD discussion,there is some value in having separate{{Use Irish English}}and{{Use British English}}templates. Not least given the use of Irish language words in the former. (LikeTaoiseach(over PM),Gardaí(not police),Oireachtas(not parliament),Gaeltacht,sliotar,etc.) Otherwise it seems to me that the nom hasn't considered the disruption likely to be caused by this proposed change. (Perhaps not on the same "nuclear" scale as merging{{Use Indian English}}and{{Use Pakistani English}}- but in the same ballpark. To see what I mean, try adding{{Use British English}}to theSinn FéinorProvisional Irish Republican Armyor articles - and see what noise is generated.) Otherwise, IMO, the proposed change seems like a solution looking for a problem...Guliolopez(talk)13:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment/clarify.To clarify what I mean about{{Use Irish English}}and{{Use British English}}and the treatment of Irish loan words. InMargaret Thatcher(appropriately tagged with{{Use British English}}), the termTaoiseachis both linked AND explained ( "Taoiseach (Irish prime minister)"). This is because this term is not routinely used (and therefore requires clarification) in" British English ". While inGarret FitzGerald(tagged differently/appropriately) the termTaoiseachis simply linked. Without definition. Because, in "Irish English", it doesn't require clarification.Guliolopez(talk)14:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keepper Guliolopez.Spleodrach(talk)13:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • KeepI'm failing to see what deleting this actually achieves. I support keeping all the main English-language tags (Australia, Canada, India, Ireland, South Africa etc) perWP:TIES.Completely endorse whatGuliolopezhas said about the use of Irish loanwords in Irish English. This has been discussed before as a defining feature of Irish English.AusLondonder(talk)20:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keepper Guliolopez' excellent summation. Hiberno-English or Irish-English may look the same as British English at a glance, but it is significantly different. As pointed out, there are many loanwords in common usage that are directly derived from the Irish language and native speakers, including those with no knowledge of Irish, will use them regularly. There are also grammatical differences between Hiberno-English and British English. And I'm not sure what confusing the matter by glomming the two distinct dialects together seeks to achieve. If anything, it smacks ofcultural assimilation.Our native language was almost wiped out, so now it's time for our dialect to go the same way. No thanks -Alisontalk02:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)(disclosure:I'm a native speaker)[reply]
  • Keepper Guliolopez. I don't know what benefit there is in merging. The example of whether to explain taoiseach is a good one. There are other stylistic differences in the use of the English language between the two countries, which mightn't arise that often in an encyclopedic context, but it's as well to note the language variant at the top. We're not discussing regionalisms here, but the mainstream language that would be used by the media or academically in Ireland.Iveagh Gardens(talk)17:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete.I haven't seen an argument above in one of the keep votes that shows a difference in spelling betweenEnglishwords. The examples of Irish language words used in articles are unrelated to this TfD, and whether or not a word written in Irish should be explained is context-related and has nothing to do with a template at the top of a page (click on a random transclusion ofTemplate:Langfor non-English languages and see some explaining a word, while others don't, and no "Use x language" template is used). I feel that the keep votes above are more pride-based and just dislike the fact that the word "British" will appear on the page.Gonnym(talk)10:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I feel that the keep votes above are... pride-based...
    Feelings unsupported by evidence are unpersuasive.Spideog(talk)14:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I feel that the keep votes above are more pride-based and just dislike the fact that the word "British" will appear on the page.That's one of the most ridiculous fact-free takes I've seen in any discussion on Wikipedia.AusLondonder(talk)14:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with you both.SerialNumber5412915:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • keepper Guliolopez. Gonnym's assertion, without any substance other than vibes, that keep votes are based on pride is laughable....sawyer*he/they*talk19:11, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/Berenstain Bears

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Editnotice blanked in early 2024 as no longer applicable. No longer used. –Jonesey95(talk)22:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Editnotices/Page/E-kid

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Editnotice blanked because it was no longer needed. See talk page for details. –Jonesey95(talk)17:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Deprecated stub

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No transclusions. There is limited discussion linking to this template, most of which is from 2010, when it was created. I don't know if it was ever used, or just transcluded in one place until recently, when it showed up on the unused template reports.

It may be redundant to{{Deprecated template}}.

If it is used only sometimes, it should have{{transclusionless}}added to its documentation, with an explanation. –Jonesey95(talk)17:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's not entirely redundant to{{Deprecated template}}.It's always substituted rather than transcluded, and is only used rarely. Not sure how many stub templates it currently (or ever) been used on, but deprecated stub templates are usually cleared quickly and either deleted or redirected. Don't think losing it will cause much problem. Originally it was made because a few parent stub types were regularly sorted out (e.g.,{{geo-stub}}to all its by-country children), and someone who didn't know how stubbinng worked would nominate the emptied template for deletion. I think there are other templates that will stop that happening though.Grutness...wha?04:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:CURRENTCENTURY

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This could easily be manually updated by hand since centuries only change every 100 years, and I don't even think Wikipedia will last that long. If it somehow does the current century can easily be changed.TheWikipedetalk16:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Billie the Vision & the Dancers

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Only one album, so useless for navigation.--woodensuperman15:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Egyptian royal family

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Page contains less than five people, all of whom are closely related and would already be linked together, limiting its usefulness.2601:249:9301:D570:9061:13F5:EDBD:C800(talk)23:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Convert to a bottom navigation template,which takes less visible space. Remove non-links. This has enough links for a viable navigation template.Gonnym(talk)14:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,✗plicit14:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TAT (band)

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This is a template I authored many years ago which no longer satisfiesthe rule of fiveso I'm self nominating it for deletion.Muhandes(talk)10:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Novembre

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This is a template I authored many years ago which no longer satisfiesthe rule of fiveso I'm self nominating it for deletion.Muhandes(talk)09:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kish Mauve

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This is a template I authored many years ago which no longer satisfiesthe rule of fiveso I'm self nominating it for deletion.Muhandes(talk)09:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:An Angle

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This is a template I authored many years ago which no longer satisfiesthe rule of fiveso I'm self nominating it for deletion.Muhandes(talk)08:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pomigliano CF squad

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no "current squad" template needed; team is not active during the 2024-25 seasonJoeykai(talk)05:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:At school occasional

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Propose mergingTemplate:At school occasionalwithTemplate:At school.
These templates both reflect that an editor will be making fewer contributions due to their schooling, and{{at school occasional}}simply specifies that the editor will not entirely stop editing. I propose that{{at school occasional}}be converted into a parameter for{{at school}}(|occasional=yes) and merged therewith.JJPMaster(she/they)01:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support,they both convey the same theme that school affects presence on Wikipedia. No significant difference between them.
𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝(𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝)18:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support- Both mean the same thing. Agree with reasoning provided by JJP.( ͡° ( ͡° ( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ͡°) ͡°) ͡°)00:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support and suggestion.Both school templates are differentiated by thedegreeof availability at Wikipedia impacted from school attendance. Currently, the two templates are narrow in these degrees. The occasional template should become the regular school template and have a new one created, that a user is on ahiatusbecause of school.Carlinal(talk)05:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SupportThe two templates are synonymous with one another.Rager7(talk)17:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support.I find Carlinal's argument to be compelling, as someone who is currently using the At School Occasional template. I think the occasional template being the regular and ahiatustemplate as an alternate option would probably be better.Brocade River Poems (She/They)04:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussions

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November 21

Template:Powerlifting at the 2024 Summer Paralympics

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Unused and all links are redirects.WikiCleanerMan(talk)22:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of navboxes at Category:Basketball Olympic squad navigational boxes by competition

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These navboxes are for teams that finished lower than third place in the Olympic basketball tournaments. Such templates are subject toWP:TCREEPand were previously deleted perMay 31, 2021,April 22, 2020,June 7, 2019,and March 29, 2019 (first,secondandthird) discussions (to name a few). –sbaio(ViaGeardona(talk to me?)00:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)and AWB)[reply]

November 14

Template:WikiProject Lanka Premier League

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Propose mergingTemplate:WikiProject Lanka Premier LeaguewithTemplate:WikiProject Cricket.
These 4 projects were redirected into the newly createdWikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Asia cricket task force.They should now use the project banner with a new asia parameter like{{WikiProject Cricket|asia=yes}}.Gonnym(talk)10:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose merge, these templates could instead beconverted into wrapper templatesfor{{WikiProject Cricket}}by using the following code,
{{WikiProject Cricket{{{{{|safesubst:}}}ifnotempty|{{{class|}}}|{{{{{|safesubst:}}}!}}class{{{{{|safesubst:}}}=}}{{{class|}}}}}|Asia=yes}}

@Gonnym:It could be done once the draft banner inTemplate:WikiProject Cricket/sandboxis moved to the main one.Vestrian24Bio(TALK)11:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vestrian24Bioplease explain how exactly that wrapper with the parameter|Asia=yesworks with your oppose.Gonnym(talk)15:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym:If a wrapper template like below for example has been added to a page, it will be substituted as the following one,
  • {{WikiProject Example|class=C}}will substitute as{{WikiProject Cricket|class=C|Asia=yes}}
  • {{WikiProject Example}}will substitute as{{WikiProject Cricket|Asia=yes}}
Tools likeWP:RATERhas native support for wrapper templates and will substitute them directly.Vestrian24Bio(TALK)02:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SeeCategory:WikiProject Africa banner wrapper templatesfor some examples...Vestrian24Bio(TALK)04:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you'd take a look at those pages you'd see that I've edited a lof of them. My point was that you can't use|Asia=yesas it doesn't exist. Why doesn't it exist? Because you just opposed it's addition.Gonnym(talk)06:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in this situation a wrapper is incorrect. The wrapper does not set|Pakistan Super League=yes,|Indian Premier League=yesso a user using these would end up with an unexpected result, unlikeTemplate:WikiProject Angolawhich does set|Angola=yes.Gonnym(talk)06:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't oppose the addition of|Asia=,I opposed the template merger which would result in the previous templates being left as redirects.Vestrian24Bio(TALK)09:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym:Let's keep the discussion here only then.
Now, what would exactly be done if the TfD is made consensus to merge...Vestrian24Bio(TALK)10:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym:The edit request I placed on the talk page involved the implementations of,
  • FormerFA, FormerFL, FormerGA, Current event and Cricket Collaboration
  • Re-worded text for|MAIN_TEXT=
  • New image for|IMAGE_LEFT=
  • Taskforces for ICC, Women's cricket, Africa, Americas, Europe and EAP
How any of these are related to this discussion???Vestrian24Bio(TALK)10:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no issues with the first 3 bulleted points, I oppose the task force one as I've explained being a separate discussion from the merge as the merge was the exact point of it and we would end up here anyways, which is aWP:DISCUSSFORK.Gonnym(talk)13:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the task force, I've explained above, that adding|Asia=yesto the template will allow for the merger of these 4 templates, which you've opposed. Additionally, you've proposed making them wrappers, but that adds more confusion as they don't produce the result a user would expect to get from them, as they aren't a 1:1 wrapper, but a wrapper of a redirected name. That's isn't really helpful.Gonnym(talk)14:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym:But, what about the other 6 task forces; they are freshly new ones-no mergers - we can add them to the banner now as they are unrelated to the TfD.Vestrian24Bio(TALK)14:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that atWikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket#Merge WikiProjects back into this projectthe question was regarding a merge of four Asian projects, but at the end of the discussion you proposed creating additional task forces. Are you sure that is the actual consensus there? See KjjjKjjj's commentMy only main concern is that some of the task forces might be inactive most of the time due to little coverage.Creating task forces pre-emptively where no one actually said they'll be a part of and which would stay inactive isn't helpful. I'd say close the ones you created (other than Asia) and wait until a group of editors actually want to work in that area. Note that there is a lot of maintenance required for task forces, even inactive ones (categories, templates, gnoming, etc.).Gonnym(talk)14:24, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was a clear consensus for Asia task force (see the comments of that discussion, task force was endorced by me too, despite initially proposing a merge).Joseph2302(talk)17:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,Izno(talk)23:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Buckethead task force

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Propose mergingTemplate:WikiProject Buckethead task forcewithTemplate:WikiProject Musicians.
At theTfD 1 year ago,it was suggested to mergeTemplate:WikiProject Buckethead task forcewithTemplate:WikiProject Musicians.~Tom.Reding(talk⋅dgaf)16:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym,Cyfal,andWikiCleanerMan:pinging all participants of the previous TfD.~Tom.Reding(talk⋅dgaf)16:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete.I'll be a little rude and just say completely delete. There were many WikiProjects created for single artists and bands which unsurprisingly are inactive or just flat out dead. The last non-bot related post on that project page was 15 years ago. Just delete and get rid of stale projects. We should stop supporting indefinitely stuff like this. And this goes for most music artist projects.Gonnym(talk)17:05, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Deleteper nomination. --WikiCleanerMan(talk)22:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • While the task force exists as a child of a specific WikiProject, the only reasonable target for changing the template's target is that one's parent. Any other concerns should be redirected elsewhere, such as WT:COUNCIL or WP:MFD. "Merge" / "delete" in favor of yesteryear's suggested target. Come back to TFD if and only if an MFD resolves that WikiProject Guitarists probably shouldn't exist, at which point I anticipate the final target will be WP:Musicians.Izno(talk)02:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 13

Template:Talkfact

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Propose mergingTemplate:TalkfactwithTemplate:Fake citation needed.
These templates are duplicates.{{talkfact}}just has|nice=yesto change the wording, and{{fake citation needed}}has namespace detection. The merge target followsWP:TPN's "standard English spelling, spacing, and capitalization", and the source can be a shortcut.174.94.28.189(talk)06:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move{{Talkfact}}to{{Talk fact}}which is where it should have been. The two templates display similarly but have different functions. I, for example, want to be able to find all the documentation, by using "what links here" on{{Fake citation needed}}.All the best:RichFarmbrough19:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC).[reply]
"What links here" indents redirects so that function would remain after any merger. Furthermore, atSpecial:WhatLinksHere/Template:Fake_citation_needed&limit=500,the majority of transclusions are outside templatespace (documentation) and apparently inside discussions.174.94.28.189(talk)00:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relistedto generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,JJPMaster(she/they)13:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Completed discussions

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A list of completed discussions that still require action taken on the template(s) — for example, a merge between two infoboxes — can be found atthe "Holding Cell".

For an index of all old and archived discussions, seeWikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/Archives.

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