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[edit]- Voltes V: Legacy – The Cinematic Experience(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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The film is basically a recap ofVoltes V: Legacy.there is an upcoming re-release with new Japanese dubbing and new "never before seen scenes" but there is a lack of information for a separate article. Would be better to have this as a redirect to the source material.Hariboneagle927(talk)01:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep:reviews herehttps://www.philstar.com/movies/2023/04/20/2260360/voltes-v-legacy-review-finally-filipino-movie-could-rival-marvel-dcandhttps://www.pep.ph/news/local/172863/voltes-v-legacy-the-cinematic-experience-review-a717-20230422?s=fjda47timjo28plrksh5mk98a9at least; and the rest of the coverage shows this is notable enough for a standalone page (not to mention notable cast, crew). So very opposed to deletion -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)11:55, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hemant Batra(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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This article is heavily refbombed (just to make it difficult to judge the notability). On a closer look, I didn't find any in-depth reference. Due to COI concerns, I don't think it is possible to maintain such articles even if he is weak notable. Most of the references are sponsored and not acceptable perWP:RSNOI.FailsWP:GNG.Gheus(talk)19:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- CommentOriginal state of the articlebefore my edits.Gheus(talk)19:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Laxmichya Paulanni(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Attempted redirect as there is no significant coverage that shows notability outside of unreliable sources, mentions, and general announcements. Created by blocked user and IPs (likely LOUTSOCKs) have objected to the redirect so here we are.CNMall41(talk)21:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge withGaatchora:not sure why there's no Adaptations/Remakes section there. Not opposed to deletion given the existing coverage, which allows verification: notable music director and notable cast. So very opposed to deletion. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)22:00, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- The edit summary notes why it was removed. --CNMall41(talk)22:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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- The Night Begins to Shine (Teen Titans Go!)(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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No evidence of notability for these episodes together, better covered at main articlesIndagate(talk)09:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep:Sources seem to show this is notable enough.https://www.cbr.com/teen-titans-go-ber-night-begins-shine/;https://www.wbur.org/npr/545906301/an-accidental-hit-begins-to-shine-and-only-because-of-teen-titans-go;https://www.dcplanet.fr/220502-decouvrez-funko-pop-teen-titans-go-version-the-night-begins-to-shine;https://tvsourcemagazine.com/2020/07/review-teen-titans-go-the-night-begins-to-shine-2/;https://meiobit.com/371129/jovens-titas-the-night-begins-to-shine-cancao-incluida-em-biblioteca-virou-um-sucesso-entre-os-fas-warner-capitalizando-em-cima/;https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/08/the-fall-out-boy-music-video-for-teen-titans-go-redeems-that-horrible-ghostbusters-song/etc -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)16:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- John "Hannibal" Smith(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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FailsWP:GNGtagged for notability since 2021Questions?fourOlifanofmrtennant (she/her)02:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Hanna (character)(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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According to my Google search, this character is not individually notable from the film or television series. Sources only mention the character in passing, or not in a way that would meet SIGCOV or individual notability. As for the sources in the article, they are also passing and do not prove individual notability. (Keep in mind that the character is a main character, so obviously there will be a lot of sources, but for individual notability, there should be at least a few reliable, secondary sources about the specific character and their impact, just in case any fights break out if I don't say this.)
I'd say a delete is best because whichever page shall this article redirect to would be hard to decide.Spinixster(trout me!)14:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Deleteper nom.WP:BEFOREshowsWP:TRIVIALMENTIONsand/or plot recap. A redirect might make sense, but this is a pretty broad search term.Shooterwalker(talk)15:45, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirectseems like the most prudent choice here. I would pick the film, since it is the original work and better known than the TV series overall.★Trekker(talk)16:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect,but toHannah (name)#Fictional characters 2.I agree with Shooterwalker that the article title is way to broad to be useful as a redirect specifically to the movie. Not only is it somewhat doubtful that someone would type this in as a search term, but the vagueness of such a search means it could be looking for any other fictional character named Hannah or Hanna. This particular Hanna, with a link to both the movie and TV show, is already included in the list I suggested, so would be a much more useful target for a Redirect to help in searches.Rorshacma(talk)17:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- 2004 in Turkish television(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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tagged uncited for many years and does not seem to be notableChidgk1(talk)13:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in thedeletion sortinglists for the following topics:HistoryandLists.-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)17:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I deproDed the page. I have seen other years taken to AfD. But why? This is a pretty standard way to approach history of television by country. Mexico has them, Korea has them, and so on. Turkey is a major country with a long history of television. What's the issue? Non-notable, how? I would!vote Keep but that would imply restoring all the other years. But I don't understand. It's very easy to source every event with books and/or news. And for general coverage, just open Yanardağoğlu, Eylem,Television in Turkey: Local Production, Transnational Expansion and Political Aspirations,Springer International Publishing, 2020; "The Transformation of the Media System in Turkey: Citizenship, Communication, and Convergence", Springer International Publishing, 2021;The Regulation of Turkish Network Industries.(2022), Springer International Publishing. A source for each and every programme broadcast is easily found. I am seriously confused.-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)18:05, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to keep it vote keep. I don’t think that would implying restoring other years as some years in television are more notable than others.Chidgk1(talk)05:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- OK:Keep and restore all years.This year in Turkish television is notable and so are apparently all years I checked, given the existence of sources for individual events and about trends/years in the Turkish history of television. Also for navigation reasons.and procedural reasons; targeting one year after another to delete the whole range of articles (that precisely make sense as a whole) brick by brick is not a good idea when the general topic is notable.
some years in television are more notable than others
.Maybe (I don't think so) but then, it seems you want to have ALL years of Turkish television deleted and I am very much against that idea. Is it your idea?- Another solution would be to change the approach by creating lists by decades and redirecting/merging the individual years (in)to the decades (2000s in Turkish televisionand so on) but I won't do it myself (as I favour individual years)-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)08:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- No I have not proposed deleting all years and that is not my idea.Chidgk1(talk)11:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Very well, I had the wrong impression, my apologies. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)11:59, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- No I have not proposed deleting all years and that is not my idea.Chidgk1(talk)11:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you want to keep it vote keep. I don’t think that would implying restoring other years as some years in television are more notable than others.Chidgk1(talk)05:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note: there are only 4 years left in the category. The ones that have been deleted lately were, if I am not mistaken, in the 2000s and 2010s The other years haven't been created yet.-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)09:15, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dettric Jones(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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FailsWP:NACTOR,previously CSD A7.WP:TOOSOON- wait until Jones becomes notable. Prior versions draftified,WP:DRAFTIFYimplies that this might not be unilaterally returned to Draft. Even so I suggest deletion. 🇺🇦FiddleTimtrentFaddleTalk to me🇺🇦04:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete and salt the mainspace:Fails bothWP:GNGandWP:NACTOR.Jones lacks
significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions
.He isn't even part of the starring cast in any movies nor TV series so far. All of his roles are minor roles both in film and TV series. No significant coverage of him as an actor. This is considered to beWP:TOOSOON.—YoungForever(talk)06:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC) - Note: This discussion has been included in thelist of South Carolina-related deletion discussions.Shellwood(talk)09:27, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing Dettric Jones' Wikipedia page. I understand and acknowledge the concerns raised regarding the page's compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines, specifically WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR.
- Although Dettric's role in films and TV series may be considered minor, Jones is still a public figure with a verifiable presence in the entertainment industry. credits include:
- - Ozark (Netflix, 2017)
- - Raising Dion (Netflix, 2022) - Season 2, Jacob
- - The Watcher (Netflix, 2022)
- I respectfully argue that the page should not be deleted solely based on the criteria mentioned. Wikipedia's guidelines also emphasize the importance of documenting emerging artists and public figures.
- Considering WP:TOOSOON, I propose:
- 1. Merging page with a list article (e.g., "List of American actors" ) or a relevant category.
- 2. Marking page for improvement rather than deletion.
- This will allow the page to remain while ensuring compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines.
- Thank you.AnonymousContent33(talk) 14:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)—AnonymousContent33(talk•contribs) has madefew or no other editsoutside this topic.🇺🇦FiddleTimtrentFaddleTalk to me🇺🇦16:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I must respectfully point out that the number of edits I've made outside of this topic is irrelevant to the validity of Dettric Jones' Wikipedia page.
- The focus should be on the Verifiability of Dettric's credits and existence as a public figure, as well as Compliance with Wikipedia's guidelines.AnonymousContent33(talk)19:34, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete:One episode appearances and uncredited ones do not amount to notability here. Sourcing is also not coverage beyond confirmation of these roles. Long way from notability. SALT should be appliedOaktree b(talk)14:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep/Mark for improvement:Even a single episode as a supporting role contributes significantly to a show. Supporting roles advance plotlines and character development. Jones has been casted in notable productions establishing himself in the industry.
- -WP:NACTOR:Criteria 1 (significant roles) is met, as supporting roles impact narrative.
- -WP:GNG:Verifiable credits establish notability.
- - Professional involvement in acclaimed series.AnonymousContent33(talk)20:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- An un-named person on screen is not what we're looking for, notability wise. This person has NOT met GNG, as we have no stories in reliable sources about them.Oaktree b(talk)00:33, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:The AfD notice was deleted. I have reinstated it and warned the editor for the removal 🇺🇦FiddleTimtrentFaddleTalk to me🇺🇦04:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:Please noteWikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AnonymousContent33🇺🇦FiddleTimtrentFaddleTalk to me🇺🇦13:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Modhalum Kaadhalum(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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This is actually the third deletion discussion. Originally deleted underthisdiscussion in early 2023 prior to being recreated under alternative name which was then a no consensus atthisdiscussion. Out of the 21 references listed on the pagethisis the only reference that may be notable but I cannot read it so not sure. The rest fall underWP:NEWSORGINDIAor are otherwise unreliable. Would recommend a redirect to the original program it is based on (Yeh Hai Mohabbatein).CNMall41(talk)03:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep:There are reliable sources present, opposed to deletion. Also have a strong references from (The Times of India, medianews4u.com, Dinamalar, Indian Express Tamil). It was one of the famous show, and also notable cast. Original program and Tamil version are very different.. story was also changes. also cast also different. the original version was aired 1,895 episodes (lot of cast and long story), Tamil version was aired only 304 episodes. i am against of recommend a redirect to the original program. i don't Kmow why, You are very interested in deleting this article. This is third time for Nomination of Modhalum Kaadhalum for deletion.Strong Keep--P.Karthik.95(talk)06:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- The references that you state (which I am assuming are the ones on the page) are all unreliable and fall underWP:NEWSORGINDIA.Cast, number of episodes, it being a "famous show" has no bearing on notability unless there is significant coverage from RELIABLE sources to support. Can you link to the sources that are significant (and reliable)? Please do not link to anything that falls under NEWSORGINDIA. --CNMall41(talk)07:27, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:and add sources likehttps://tamil.timesnownews.com/entertainment/modhalum-kaadhalum-serial-last-episode-coming-soon-at-vijay-tv-big-shock-to-fans-vikram-vedha-thanvi-article-110957049(or similar articles in the same media, all bylined) orhttps://www.skspread.com/vijay-tv-modhalum-kaadhalum-serial-ending-soon-latest-news/;some of the numerous TOI articles can be used for verification; at the very least, redirect toList_of_programs_broadcast_by_Star_Vijay#Scripted_series_2or merge with the article about the series it is a reboot of (Kalyanam Mudhal Kadhal Varai#Spin-off,rather than the original series, but would that help the reader as much as a page? Not sure. And a lot of informations would be lost. (Opposed to deletion, too) -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)08:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- DeleteorRedirecttoYeh_Hai_Mohabbatein#Adaptations.Per nom. Sources are poor to unreliable like source 1,2,4,6,12,13,18,20,21 and the others fall inWP:NEWSORGINDIAcriteria with promotion and launch of the show, mentions on debut of an actress, exit of an actress and cast additions.RangersRus(talk)14:16, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect toKalyanam Mudhal Kadhal Varai:or other target as proposed to be enforced by blocks or protection. I was AfD1 closer and AfD2 nom and I still don't think this meets the requirements for independent notability as sourcing is far from sufficient.StarMississippi02:12, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- DELETEorREDIRECT:Poor sources. Low notability.Jellysandwich0(talk)02:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Requesting a source evaluation:simply grouping all the TOI sources under RSNOI without properly evaluating each and every source seems inappropriate especially when the RFC on TOI does acknowledge that only some articles have issues.
- After all, this is an Indian TV show and the only sources that will discuss this is Indian sources. Simply eliminating almost every source under this RSNOI from an information page doesn’t seem like a well thought-out rationale, especially when only TOI is on WP:RSPS.—Karnataka20:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are assuming that was not done. They were evaluated and are churnalism falling under NEWSORGINDIA. If there is one you feel isn't, please provide the link and I will have a look. --CNMall41(talk)20:20, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:Sufficiently sourced. Times of India is usable perWP:TOI.Kailash29792(talk)03:12, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is a perspective to have. However, being usable does not mean it can be used to establish notability. That is also the reason why I did not discredit these simply for being from the TOI. The many RfCs have concluded that the TOI needs additional consideration to determine if if it reliable for that specific reference. I checked them all and these are churnalism and promotional. If you want to provide some that you feel can be used to establish notability, I will have a look and withdraw the nomination if they are usable to establish notability. --CNMall41(talk)19:00, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- List of Bulbulay characters(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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FailsWP:NLISTand is basically aWP:CFORKof characters already listed inBulbulaymain Wikipedia page. Only three characters are sourced and the references do not match the description provided (I will stop short of saying they areWP:FAKEREF). I would normally recommend a redirect as anWP:ATDbut do not believe one would be needed here.CNMall41(talk)02:46, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep:as a standardWP:SPLITLISTof characters or redirect and merge to the main page if that seems feasible. (Note to "notability taggers": indicating the category (film, internet or in the present case television) puts the article on the radar of users willing to improve pages related to a given topic, whereas the "may not meet GNG" has it lost in an ocean of articles about other topics. Thank you) -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)08:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Again,WP:SPLITLISTsays when it is appropriate, not that it can be done despite notability. Must still meetWP:NLIST.Can you provide the sourcing that shows this? --CNMall41(talk)17:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge withBulbulay:It doesn’t really need its own article; it could be merged into the parent article. —Saqib(talkIcontribs)15:08, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel Sachs(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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FailsWP:SIGCOV.Refs are passing mentions, profiles, about us pages and other misc/non-specific coverage. FailsWP:BIO.scope_creepTalk11:56, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- What is WP:SICOV?Ruccc(talk)12:38, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ruccc,Scoop creep meanWP:SIGCOV.Vanderwaalforces(talk)12:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Understood!Ruccc(talk)14:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Ruccc,Scoop creep meanWP:SIGCOV.Vanderwaalforces(talk)12:50, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete:FailsWP:ANYBIO.Sources from article andWP:BEFOREdo not meet theminimum guideline.Could not even findthree sourcesthat satisfy GNG.Vanderwaalforces(talk)12:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete- Could not find enough in-depth coverage from independent, reliable sources to passWP:GNG.Onel5969TT me14:06, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment.I've done a quick search in a Swedish media archive and there seems to be plenty of (significant) Swedish newspaper coverage. I'll make time at some point in the coming days to go though the most promising hits and add them to the article (or retract this statement if it turns out that my first glance was mistaken). /Julle(talk)18:08, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment- There is a long history dating back to 2007 associated with this title, including articles about this person that werecut down to redirects,redirects from this person to a company, and articles about a fictional person. If this person failsbiographical notablity,a redirect should be kept as analternative to deletionto preserve the history.Robert McClenon(talk)18:34, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep.I've taken a look at some of the articles in the Swedish news archive now and I'm convinced this easily passesWP:GNG.For example, he getsthree pagesinDagens Nyheter(the dominating daily newspaper in Sweden) in 2017, and nine pages (haven't found the online equivalent) inDagens Industri(the most important financial newspaper in Sweden) a couple of months ago. Much of this is interview material, but not all of it, and there's enough other material here to build something from. There are substantial reporting on his role as CEO of Proventus and of him leaving it (I've added an example). He was one of the hosts ofSommar (radio program)in 2013, where every episode generates reviews in national media; I've added one of them. In short, his role not just as a entrepeneur but as a powerful person in Swedish culture has been reflected in the Swedish news, and this means there's enough for us to build an encyclopedic entry on. /Julle(talk)22:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Blank and Redirectasalternative to deletion.A review of the references shows that they are press releases or passing mentions.
Reference Number | Reference | Comments | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
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1 | birthday.se | Appears to be a file of birthdays of people. This establishes that he exists. | Yes | No | Probably not. Probably user-provided. | ? |
2 | www.dn.se/kultur-noje/ | An interview | No. | Yes | Yes | No |
3 | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagens_industri | This is probably an improperly entered reference, but it links to a Wikipedia article. So it is either incorrectly formed or circular | ? | Not about the subject | No. | ? |
4 | news.cision.com | Announcement that he has left a company. | Probably not. Reads like a press release. | Yes | Probably | No |
5 | www.dagensmedia.se | Another announcement that he has left the company. | Probably not. Reads like a press release. | Yes | Probably | No |
6 | www.di.se/nyheter | A press release about a job change | No. | Yes. | Probably | No |
7 | www.realtid.se | A list of attendees at Davos | Yes | No, passing mention. | Probably | Yes |
8 | www.opensocietyfoundations.org | A profile as one of the directors of the foundation | No. | Yes | Probably | No |
9 | web.archive.org/web | An account of the founding of the Höj Rösten Foundation | Yes | No, passing mention. | Probably | No |
10 | www.dn.se | A press release that "Sachs wants to scrutinize capitalism" | No. | Yes | Probably | No |
11 | www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum | A Forbes contributor piece | No. | No, passing mention of subject. | No. | No |
12 | www.apolitical.foundation | Profiles of board members | No. | Yes | No. | No |
13 | www.resume.se | Another press release | No. | Yes | No. | No |
- This source assessment table is based on this version of the article:[1].References were added to the article while I was assessing the sources, and I revised the table. The addition of more sources was not material.
- As noted above, there is an extensive history, which includes previous versions of articles on the subject, as well as redirects, and an article about a fictional person. This article should be cut down to a redirect.Robert McClenon(talk)00:49, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- User:Robert McClenon:I'm sorry, but I don't think this reflects the reality of some of the sources in the article. Comments below.
- 1. Agreed.
- 2. Mostly an interview, but also covers other material, which I'd argue is secondary. Described above.
- 3. No, the wiki link follows the norm for how we cover press material, same as other sources in the article – the name of the publication is linked. Not the name of the article, which is an offline source (or accessible thoughsv:Mediearkivet). Not all sources are online sources. This is nine pages inDagens Industri,mostly but not only interview material. Described above. Can be checked by pretty much anyone with a Swedish university account (or access to Mediearkivet, provided to some editors by Wikimedia Sweden). As noted above, I've not been able to locate the online equivalent.
- 4. Agreed.
- 5. Disagree. Unlikely this is merely a press release, for four reasons: a) Unlike Cision, Dagens Media does produce journalism, which merits that we take a closer look; b) it's the same day as the press release in 4., but with different content, noting things which were not present in that press release c) it's signed (Eva Wisten), d) it contains material unlikely to have been in a press relase, such as noting that he'll "be on paternal leave and think". This reads like a reaction to the press release in 4., but someone actually having written an article based on other sources.
- 6. Definitely not. This is an article, takes up most of a page in the leading Swedish financial newspaper, and doesn't read at all like a press release to me. Why do you think it would be one?
- 7. Agreed.
- 8. Agreed.
- 9. Agreed.
- 10. Uncertain. Not terribly interesting as a source anyway.
- 11. Agreed.
- 12. Agreed.
- 13. Agreed.
- 14. (Inthe current version.) Missing. Added before this was posted, but after the assessment, I suppose.
- Could you please explain your reasoning around 2, 3, 5 and 6? /Julle(talk)02:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- On ref 2 it does say the Pallas met him for conversation. I can't read it fully as paywalled, but it does look an interview.scope_creepTalk06:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. "Much of this is interview material, but not all of it", I wrote above, and then "Mostly an interview, but also covers other material, which I'd argue is secondary" in the comment to the source assessment above. (: /Julle(talk)11:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- The other material is likely provided by the PR agency. It put the reference in the context of a interview and can't be used to prove notability. It not a valid.scope_creepTalk13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. "Much of this is interview material, but not all of it", I wrote above, and then "Mostly an interview, but also covers other material, which I'd argue is secondary" in the comment to the source assessment above. (: /Julle(talk)11:12, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- On Ref 5 it reads a profile generated from a press-release. That fact that its bylined doesnt add much to it. It reads like a 300 word profile and is not in-depth.scope_creepTalk06:52, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Since we have a press release from exactly the same day (4.), that would mean that they'd sent out two different press releases on the same topic, with different information (since much of the background in 5. is missing in 4.). To me, that seems much more unlikely than a journalist taking a look at the press release in 4. and writing something based on other sources than the press release (since it contains information not in the press release in 4).
- (It's still not a longer piece, no.) /Julle(talk)11:14, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- That looks and reads like conjecture, is not indepth and is not valid.scope_creepTalk13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- On ref 2 it does say the Pallas met him for conversation. I can't read it fully as paywalled, but it does look an interview.scope_creepTalk06:47, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- On Ref 3. The reference format is fine. This is a financial paper similar to Bloomberg and the Financial Times. Its is likely paid PR.scope_creepTalk06:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not intimately familiar with Bloomberg and the Financial Times, but this is the main article in this issue of the newspaper. I find it extremely unlikely that this would be paid PR, that's not how Dagens Industri works and they'd completely resign their position as the dominating financial newspaper in Sweden if they presented paid material as journalism. Why would we assume it's paid PR? /Julle(talk)11:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Because that is mechanism used to market themselves. Billionaires and millionaire are extraordinary secretive, they don't like their business dealing and their private lifes being made pubic, generally speaking. They build a public facade, their brand in the modern era using PR agencies so they are always shown in a good light. That is known thing. Lastly, its not necessarily paid material as journalism. You need to read up on it. All papers take the marketing dollar, more so since the coming of social media when it the industry was absolutely eviscerated, more or less right across the world from about 2007-2008. Its recovered now because many of them are behind paywalls and legislation that has come in to protect the industry but for many years, journalism as a practice was hit very badly. So the boundary between real journalism and all this other "crap" that came in was blurred and they used that money to effectively save their industry. Real journalism is making a return but for certain things like this, you don't know if its paid for. You really have to look, particularly for this type of source. So it could be potentially be a good reference right enough, but its hard to verify and I'm not confident considering the subject matter, that its not been paid for.scope_creepTalk13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not intimately familiar with Bloomberg and the Financial Times, but this is the main article in this issue of the newspaper. I find it extremely unlikely that this would be paid PR, that's not how Dagens Industri works and they'd completely resign their position as the dominating financial newspaper in Sweden if they presented paid material as journalism. Why would we assume it's paid PR? /Julle(talk)11:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- On Ref 3. The reference format is fine. This is a financial paper similar to Bloomberg and the Financial Times. Its is likely paid PR.scope_creepTalk06:55, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sascha Georges(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Cant't see any claim to notability; the band for which he sang is (imo) non-notable & up for deletion, otherwise I would redirect.TheLongTone(talk)13:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Oppose,News presenter of the main TV channel in Luxembourg and of a famous band there as well…, for Luxembourg standards he is quite notable.V.B.Speranza(talk)18:00, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- We are interested in sources that show that notability. We would be happy if you shared some.Geschichte(talk)01:56, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
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- commentFamous band? You are kidding.TheLongTone(talk) 11:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC) I also see that the only refs you have come up with are to self-published stuff about this entirely non-notable band. Plus a run of the mill entry from the TV station for which he works.TheLongTone(talk)11:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- It’s famous in Luxembourg, I assume you aren’t from there… originally, when I made the article, I simply translated the original article at the Lëtzebuerg Wikipedia to English and added a couple more sources and an info box. I just don’t see what the fuss is about here…V.B.Speranza(talk)18:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- If is famous in Luxembourg you should be able to add some solid sources to the article. At present there is nothing there to indicate any notability.TheLongTone(talk)14:46, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- It’s famous in Luxembourg, I assume you aren’t from there… originally, when I made the article, I simply translated the original article at the Lëtzebuerg Wikipedia to English and added a couple more sources and an info box. I just don’t see what the fuss is about here…V.B.Speranza(talk)18:23, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Deletedue to falling short ofWP:GNG.Given that the article mentions a few roles in various notable-or-maybe-notable works, deletion to allow for search results seems more appropriate than redirection (and noting thatPagan Lorn,Georges' band, is also currently at AfD).signed,Rosguilltalk15:26, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 18(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Unaccepted draft exists atDraft:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 18with several rejections, edits from multiple contributors and a longer history.2000editorhas ignored this and pushed something with less information at this point that is questionable if the pre-release publicity articles show enough to meet notability. The ideal solution would be to continue to work on the draft and get that accepted, but given this has been recreated by 2000editor several times, AFD is probably the best option to resolve this via consensus rather than one editor ignoring what others are respectfully working on.Ravensfire(talk)17:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- An option could be to merge the contents of the draft and hist-merge the draft and consider it accepted. Not ideal, but by the time this gets close to closing the show will be close to broadcast and there should be plenty of material to show notability. I cannot accept anything where the work on the draft is not respected and included - that would be extremely disrepectful to those that have done things the correct way.Ravensfire(talk)17:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Deleteper nomination. If you check the edit history of the draft, you'll see that the creator of this latest version has been removing other editors' useful contributions, in borderline vandalism. From that, and fromthis thread at their user talk,they seem to want full credit for the article, or something. In any case, the draft is nearly ready for publication.Wikishovel(talk)17:46, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Interestingly enough, they created the original draft on 9/17. Even with a histmerge, they would get credit for creating. Impatientence, some communication issues and here we are.Ravensfire(talk)18:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Note to closerThe ANI post with my suggestion below wasWikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1168#Creation_of_Bigg_Boss_18_article closed without any admin comment or action.The show will be broadcast in a few days, making a lot of this mess fairly moot. At this point, I think the easiest way out is to merge relevent sourced content from the draft into the main article, hist-merge the two and change the draft to a redirect, basically accepting the draft. This close to the show starting, if this article is deleted it will be created (repeatedly if needed), ignoring the draft.Ravensfire(talk)17:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Interestingly enough, they created the original draft on 9/17. Even with a histmerge, they would get credit for creating. Impatientence, some communication issues and here we are.Ravensfire(talk)18:57, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete:Per nom andfully protectBigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 18andBigg Boss (Hindi season 18)and the draft should be moved to mainspace when it meets general notability.M S Hassan📬✍🏻17:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete- Reiterating all the points listed above. The conduct is very concerning but better for ANI at this point. --CNMall41(talk)17:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm thinking about an ANI post but for an IAR solution to this - merge the contents of this into the draft, histmerge with the draft, then accept the draft, and mark this AFD as moot with the draft accepted. Meets the goals of improving the encyclopedia, with the contents merged it's close to meeting GNG if not there and the disruption is stopped. With the histmerge, all of the contributions from before are noted and recognized. Thoughts?Ravensfire(talk)18:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- 2000editor started an ANI post atWikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Creation_of_Bigg_Boss_18_article,I left this proposal there.Ravensfire(talk)18:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm thinking about an ANI post but for an IAR solution to this - merge the contents of this into the draft, histmerge with the draft, then accept the draft, and mark this AFD as moot with the draft accepted. Meets the goals of improving the encyclopedia, with the contents merged it's close to meeting GNG if not there and the disruption is stopped. With the histmerge, all of the contributions from before are noted and recognized. Thoughts?Ravensfire(talk)18:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- I left a comment there. Seems to be anWP:IDHTorWP:CIRissue. Either way, it is becoming disruptive. --CNMall41(talk)02:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete.Per nom.RangersRus(talk)14:31, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:Can this AFD be closed early perWP:EARLYsince this show is starting today? Pinging admins who frequently close AFDs: @Liz,@OwenX,@Doczilla.M S Hassan📬✍🏻10:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand the urgency. This AfD is scheduled to close tomorrow. Is there a copyright violation or other content that demands immediate handling? If not, let the process run its course. WP:SNOW makes sense on the first couple of days, not when the normal closing time is a day away, with five participants taking part in the discussion.Owen×☎11:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably the perceived stigma of a show that's being broadcast having an AFD notice. This has been a mess that still needs some cleanup and at a minimum a histmerge with the draft.Ravensfire(talk)21:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Got it; thanks!Owen×☎21:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Probably the perceived stigma of a show that's being broadcast having an AFD notice. This has been a mess that still needs some cleanup and at a minimum a histmerge with the draft.Ravensfire(talk)21:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand the urgency. This AfD is scheduled to close tomorrow. Is there a copyright violation or other content that demands immediate handling? If not, let the process run its course. WP:SNOW makes sense on the first couple of days, not when the normal closing time is a day away, with five participants taking part in the discussion.Owen×☎11:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete:I agree with the nominator and all other voters. Constructing a page while a draft exists for the subject is unethical and disregarding. Merging the contents of the draft and performing a history merge seems like a good approach, especially now that the show is airing and potentially generating additional material.ManaliJain(talk)07:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Dinesh Shetty(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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RedirecttoIndia's Ultimate Warrior.The coverage seems to beWP:BLP1Eas it is all from March 2022, when he won the competition.JTtheOG(talk)17:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- DeleteorRedirecttoIndia's Ultimate Warrior.Page is about contestant winning a show that aired in 2022WP:BLP1E.No other significant and substantial achievement noteworthy about the contestant. FailsWP:NBIOandWP:SIGCOV.RangersRus(talk)14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
RedirecttoIndia's Ultimate Warrior.Pharaoh of the Wizards(talk)16:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- List of characters in Monarch of the Glen(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Non-notable list of characters that is completely unreferenced.WP:SIGCOVcould not be found.Jontesta(talk)02:14, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Kirkuk TV(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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The subject of this article may well be notable but it is largely incomprehensible owing to very poor English. I understand AfD is not for cleanup but I think we’re in TNT territory with this article.Mccapra(talk)20:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete:The contents of the article is not intelligible.Ibjaja055(talk)21:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete:Yes,AfD is not cleanup…except forwhen it is.Suffice it so say, any article that repeatedly refers to "our" and "we" does not bode well even when theyarecoherent. (Is that history section about a satellite TV channel or a website?)WCQuidditch☎✎00:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Nightmare Theater(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Fairly new article about a non-notable TV show; created by a new editor. No sources; no formatting.Mvcg66b3r(talk)16:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- This was one of Utah's longest running television shows and was very popular. I will be updating sources. As for formatting I will learn and improve the page.Intergalacticlanguage(talk)17:09, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:I haven't been able to dig up much. There isTelevision Horror Movie Hosts 68 Vampires, Mad Scientists and Other Denizens of the Late-Night Airwaves Examined and Interviewedthat covers the show, but there is no preview available. There's also a whole self-published bookThe Complete Index to Salt Lake City's Nightmare Theatrewhich would probably be decent for information, but doesn't contribute to notability. There'sthis dramatic piecefrom the Utah Education Network that says someone hanged themselves after watching the program. Other than that, it's just passing mentions likeone of my favorite things to do was to curl up with my dad on a Friday night and watch the famed horror movie show starring Sammy Terry (a play on the word cemetery), “Nightmare Theater.” The low-budget series was just scary enough to capture my interest, but not so scary that DCFS needed to be alerted.I'm leaning delete, but I'm willing to wait to see what sources come up.ScottishFinnishRadish(talk)17:31, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I meant to include this note. Fischer
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- Delete, consider redirecting title toSammy TerryIf you want to write about a local TV program, you need the sourcing to back up your claim. You also need to show that it has someenduringnotability to it. I do not think that the Salt Lake program has that, after doing a search that would have included Utah newspapers from the last 30 years (allowing me to avoid printed titles in TV listings). However, there is a redirect target for this title...out of Indiana, where a show titledNightmare Theaterseems to have enjoyed a 27-year run atWTTV.The SIGCOV is substantial, and we have an article related to it already.Sammi Brie(she/her •t•c)18:44, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- The Utah show ran from 1962-1982 continuously. Fairly enduring, twenty years. Documentation noted includes television columns noting its popularity.Intergalacticlanguage(talk)19:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Why wasn’t this drafted so that the creator can be helped, instead of having to defend the page at an Afd, which is pretty stressful?
Draft,please, if the creator and other users agree, speedy-draft, if such a thing exists.I don’t think that nominating a new page 20 minutes after it was created was the best approach. ’Not ready for Main space”, sure but explain it and draftify is, if the creator is a newcomer/apparently not very experienced contributor, the most constructive path imv. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)21:48, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Formatted the page roughly. The claim that it was the longest show in Utah and coverage might be enough toKeepthis. If not,redirect and merge (in)toKTVX#Historyplease. Very opposed to deletion.-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)22:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Comment:Please note that the Utah TV show in this article is entirely distinct from the Indiana TV show of the same name starringSammy Terry.The Sammy Terry character was on Indiana TV from 1962 to 1989, occasionally thereafter, continuously makes personal appearances, and still produces web content; Sammy Terry has plenty of reliable sources (print news and at least one book), far beyond what the article currently references. If this article survives, it should be moved to something likeNightmare Theater (Utah),withNightmare Theaterbeing a redirect to Sammy Terry or a disambiguation page.Vadder(talk)23:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree that, even if enough sourcing demonstrating notability could be found, the Utah show is not the primary topic. The Indiana show has much more material to work with.Sammi Brie(she/her •t•c)15:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I did the initial page, and I believe Nightmare Theater (Utah) would be the proper title. This would avoid confusion with all the other Nightmare Theater and Theatres out there. While the show was broadcast on a Salt Lake City station, it was received statewide.Intergalacticlanguage(talk)16:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree that, even if enough sourcing demonstrating notability could be found, the Utah show is not the primary topic. The Indiana show has much more material to work with.Sammi Brie(she/her •t•c)15:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Science Room(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Lack of notability. Note that most of the article is effectively unsourced & tagged as such. Surely if there was any true notability for this lump of fancruft a cite or two could have been whipped up.TheLongTone(talk)14:11, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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- DeleteThis is effectively unsourced and I don't see a way this passesWP:SIGCOV.Shooterwalker(talk)01:17, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete:Agree with above, not really notable. (I would vote for a redirect to the relevant List of SNL sketches by year page, but I noticed there's been a discussion on whether to merge those pages into the main article, so I'll pass that off for now.)Spinixster(trout me!)14:33, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Paul Boross(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meetWP:CREATIVEwith only minor roles in various TV and music. I can't find any sources getting close to discussing him. This is just the latest iteration in attempts to promote him as a speaker going back to 2014 (I'vealready removedthat).SmartSE(talk)08:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete:No RS available which cover the topic significantly, to establish notability.Ratekreel(talk)21:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect- the subject is not notable for doing any of his various endeavors, except forMorris Minor and the Majors.I won’t be broken up if it’s outright deleted, but a redirect is a reasonable option.Bearian(talk)19:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
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- RedirectTo Morris Minor and the Majors.Hmr(talk)08:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Santhwanam 2(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Probable failure of thenotability guideline for films,but the more pressing concern is the amount ofsockpuppetrythis article has attracted. I didn't think it was appropriate to tag this underCSD G5,as a few other editors have worked on this, but at least two socks have edited this, and most of the rest comes from IP addresses that have edited the same articles as the socks and geolocate to the same city, suggesting block evasion. I also have concerns about the sources, many of which look likepaid promotion disguised as news coverage,and aquick look for better onesdid not reveal anything promising.—TechnoSquirrel69(sigh)03:20, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete- The IPs have removed the redirect three times now despite the three editors who disagreed so I guess here we are. Sad we have to be here over SOCKing. Judging notability outside of the editor conduct, it failsWP:NFILMas there is no significant coverage. Out of the 12 sources on the page, only one could possibly be used. The rest are unreliable perWP:ICTFSOURCESorWP:NEWSORGINDIA.--CNMall41(talk)03:43, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect toPandian_Stores_2#Adaptations:of which this is an adaptation. Not opposed toKeepat all given the existing coverage. Opposed to deletion. Note: the page was accepted through the AfC process, for what it's worth. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)13:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mushy Yank:Could you point to the sources you believe have the most significant coverage so we can better evaluate the subject's suitability under NFILM?—TechnoSquirrel69(sigh)21:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a film but a TV series, so, I don't mind you and other users judging it by NFILM standards, if you wish to do so (that could make sense, actually), but in general it's GNG that applies for TV series (WP:NTVbeing an essay, as I am sure you know, but just stating it for the record). Among bylined articles in English you have articles likehttps://www.news.keralatv.in/santhwanam-2-launch-date/(and 5-6 similar articles by the same media outlet, in English); in Malayalam, also bylined, this kind of things (not great journalism)https://malayalam.oneindia.com/entertainment/santhwanam-2-asianet-released-a-new-promo-video-goes-viral-here-is-how-fans-reacted-461819.htmlhttps://malayalam.samayam.com/tv/celebrity-news/actress-gopika-anil-says-that-no-one-from-first-part-is-acting-in-the-santhwanam-2/amp_articleshow/110149785.cmsseem to show this is popular enough. The content ofThe Times of Indianon-bylined articles might be challenged so I won't even mention it (but I suppose you had a look). I had redirected this myself at some point, I think (I seem to remember I did at least!), but that was challenged too, apparently. There are a lot of adaptations of the Tamil (5, 6?) original and their mentions are regularly removed from the tables, so for me, navigation-wise, as this seems quite popular and given the basic facts (including popularity) are verifiable with various sources, either R or K are good. Also, a detail, the fact that it'sSanthwanam2but not a real sequel, as it has different characters, makes a redirect to theSanthwanamnot the best option. For me a Keep would help the reader more efficiently but I understand the current coverage is not of extremely high quality, hence the suggested compromise. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)21:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing out that NFILM doesn't apply — that was a silly error on my part! However, the same issue prevents the subject from meeting GNG, and the links you've shared here don't help in that regard, except maybeSamayam Malayalam.Looking at the about pages forOneIndiaandKerala TVshows that they have no editorial team, and the latter seems to be ablog run by one person.I think keeping would be out of reach here, but the target you've mentioned for a possible redirect sounds good to me.—TechnoSquirrel69(sigh)22:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a film but a TV series, so, I don't mind you and other users judging it by NFILM standards, if you wish to do so (that could make sense, actually), but in general it's GNG that applies for TV series (WP:NTVbeing an essay, as I am sure you know, but just stating it for the record). Among bylined articles in English you have articles likehttps://www.news.keralatv.in/santhwanam-2-launch-date/(and 5-6 similar articles by the same media outlet, in English); in Malayalam, also bylined, this kind of things (not great journalism)https://malayalam.oneindia.com/entertainment/santhwanam-2-asianet-released-a-new-promo-video-goes-viral-here-is-how-fans-reacted-461819.htmlhttps://malayalam.samayam.com/tv/celebrity-news/actress-gopika-anil-says-that-no-one-from-first-part-is-acting-in-the-santhwanam-2/amp_articleshow/110149785.cmsseem to show this is popular enough. The content ofThe Times of Indianon-bylined articles might be challenged so I won't even mention it (but I suppose you had a look). I had redirected this myself at some point, I think (I seem to remember I did at least!), but that was challenged too, apparently. There are a lot of adaptations of the Tamil (5, 6?) original and their mentions are regularly removed from the tables, so for me, navigation-wise, as this seems quite popular and given the basic facts (including popularity) are verifiable with various sources, either R or K are good. Also, a detail, the fact that it'sSanthwanam2but not a real sequel, as it has different characters, makes a redirect to theSanthwanamnot the best option. For me a Keep would help the reader more efficiently but I understand the current coverage is not of extremely high quality, hence the suggested compromise. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)21:57, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Mushy Yank:Could you point to the sources you believe have the most significant coverage so we can better evaluate the subject's suitability under NFILM?—TechnoSquirrel69(sigh)21:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Myself Allen Swapan(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Reviewed during New page Patrol. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Bangladeshi streaming-only series. Of the two references, one is a review and the other is a link to their own commercial. Article was deleted in 2023 due to creation by a banned user and recreated February 2024 by a new user.North8000(talk)11:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep:1) given a review is cited aredirecttoSyndicate_(TV_series)#Spin offis warranted; 2) but there is plenty of coverage on this (including bylined articles), for examplehttps://www.dhakatribune.com/showtime/309335/‘myself-allen-swapan’-streaming-this-eid;https://www.tbsnews.net/splash/myself-allen-swapan-when-spin-outperforms-its-parent-series-622514;https://www.indiatoday.in/binge-watch/story/what-happens-when-a-wanted-criminal-pretends-to-be-your-husband-2366489-2023-04-30:-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)13:28, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Alejandro Otero Lárez(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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BLP that failsWP:SIGCOV.No indication of significance. FailsWP:BIO.scope_creepTalk15:30, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect toMister Venezuela 1999-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)20:47, 19 September 2024 (UTC) (but he had some significant roles in notable telenovelas, so not opposed toKeepif other users suggest that outcome)-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)19:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Deleteper nom. I initially found this lacking per NBIO, as per the nominator, and draftified this so other interested parties could improve it, but an editor deemed that incorrect perWP:DONTDRAFTIFY.So just delete it. ☆Bri(talk)15:46, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- DeleteHowever, if good sources are not found for all the content (which is not that much, it should not cost much...) then there is a risk that other sources (databases) will copy us and false information will be distributed thanks to Wikipedia. --181.197.42.150(talk)15:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean? He is in every series cited (and much more) (I checked and for all I know, he might even meetWP:NACTORbtw). It seems your are raising a cleanup issue. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)17:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, I favour a Keep: not only does he seem to meetWP:NACTOR,see SpWP please) but above all he meetsWP:ANYBIO,which states "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor". Lárez was Mister Venezuela 1999, which seems significant enough.-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)17:48, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Its not, from long established consensus. Celebrity awards are generally non-notable, unless the internationally known like the oscars.scope_creepTalk07:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, the guideline says "The person has received awell-known and significant awardor honor "(which Mr Venezuela seems to be) and nothing about being
internationally known
(which Mr Venezuelais,being part of international pageants selections, btw) let alone aboutlike the oscars
(why not the Nobel prizes to put the bar even higher?), and that "long-established consensus", although it might indeed exist, should not prevail over the current guideline in my opinion. Thank you all the same. NB-You might want to change the guideline and indicate that limitation if such a consensus really exists and is indeed accepted by a majority of users. I certainly would oppose such a change myself, so please ping me if you start such a discussion about it, thanks. (I do not think, anyway, that Mr Universe nor Mr Venezuela can be called "celebrity awards", not in a derogative way at least.) I'll therefore stand by my!vote, if I may. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)18:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)- I know what the guideline says but you dont understand the different classes of awards and what they are actually worth, and what folk strive and crave for. Its not this. Its right down the list of significance and that is consensus. Indeed your!vote is your!vote, but this has all be discussed beforehand, years ago. If you haveWP:THREEsources, please post them up. Also its worth noting an award isn't generally sufficient on its own, unless its a really good award, likely a decent medal for example. If was a good award, its a good indication the person is notable. If was a good award and there was no coverage, I wouldn't have sent to Afd. I would have spent time trying to update it and add sources. Hope that helps.scope_creepTalk21:14, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, the guideline says "The person has received awell-known and significant awardor honor "(which Mr Venezuela seems to be) and nothing about being
- Its not, from long established consensus. Celebrity awards are generally non-notable, unless the internationally known like the oscars.scope_creepTalk07:49, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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you dont understand the different classes of awards and what they are actually worth
.Thank you, sure, maybe. But a link explaining how "Mr Venezuela" is neither well-known nor significant and is not a "decent medal' and maybe, one showing thatthis has all be discussed beforehand, years ago
would be nice. I am not sure I understand the rest of your reply. Also please note he is generally simply referred to asAlejandro OteroAgain, his roles in notable telenovelas could also be considered significant so that, on top of the award, a redirect, at least, should be discussed.-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)18:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2018(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Based on same reasoning in theAfD for the 2023 ceremony.Main pageZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awardsexists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as anWP:ATDbut IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point.CNMall41(talk)19:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Also pinging the three other participants from the 2023 discussion -@TimothyBlue:,@RangersRus:,@Improvised but so real unicorn:in case you have other thoughts on this year from 2023.--CNMall41(talk)19:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:as a standardWP:SPLITLIST-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete.Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed inZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards.No need for a standalone page for this.RangersRus(talk)00:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2019(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Based on same reasoning in theAfD for the 2023 ceremony.Main pageZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awardsexists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as anWP:ATDbut IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point.CNMall41(talk)19:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Also pinging the three other participants from the 2023 discussion -@TimothyBlue:,@RangersRus:,@Improvised but so real unicorn:in case you have other thoughts on this year from 2023.--CNMall41(talk)19:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:as a standardWP:SPLITLIST-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete.Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed inZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards.It does not need to be a standalone page for this.RangersRus(talk)00:08, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2020–21(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Based on same reasoning in theAfD for the 2023 ceremony.Main pageZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awardsexists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as anWP:ATDbut IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point.CNMall41(talk)19:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep:as a standardWP:SPLITLIST-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete.Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed inZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards.No need for a standalone page for this.RangersRus(talk)00:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Zee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards 2022(edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)– (View AfD|edits since nomination)
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Based on same reasoning in theAfD for the 2023 ceremony.Main pageZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awardsexists which is also likely not notable so not seeing how this would meet notability guidelines. Cannot find enough coverage to establish it for this specific year. Attempted (twice) to redirect as anWP:ATDbut IPs who are likely UPE have removed every time so would be opposed to any redirect at this point.CNMall41(talk)19:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Also pinging the three other participants from the 2023 discussion -@TimothyBlue:,@RangersRus:,@Improvised but so real unicorn:in case you have other thoughts on this year from 2023.--CNMall41(talk)19:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:as a standardWP:SPLITLIST-My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)21:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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- We have been through this before. SPLITLIST is not a notability guideline. Can you point out the references that talk about this as a whole? This vote is a continued fallacy by assertion. --CNMall41(talk)00:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete.Too many unneeded statistical data and the winners are already listed inZee Marathi Utsav Natyancha Awards.No need for a standalone page for this.RangersRus(talk)12:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
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FailsWP:NACTOR.Bit-part actor.scope_creepTalk14:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep.He has played the title character inSweeney Todd,among other major characters and has been nominated forDora Awardsboth as a leading actor and a director. --Ssilvers(talk)22:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:seems notable enough to me, given his stage career and existing sources. -My, oh my!(Mushy Yank)10:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- Commment.When I waspatrollingthis page, I couldn't find any pieces on him — nothing close toWP:SIGCOV— in a quality British nationalWP:RS,and zero outside of the UK. As a west-end actor, he is going to get mentions in the media from shows, but I can't see that the media find him particularly notable as a standalone subject? thanks.Aszx5000(talk)10:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I couldn't find either anything in previews nor any mention of him in the play reviews. It a complete mystery to me how they can jump to a keep!vote almost immediately without presenting any evidence perWP:THREE.I did a search using reliable sources search which covers the major Canadian newspapers and not a thing came up, on him. There is reviews of the plays. You would think there would be some mention outwith passing mentions.scope_creepTalk14:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- And I think he is 46, so he is well advanced in his career.Aszx5000(talk)15:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think you have hit on a crucial point there. I need to remember that for the future. Almost middle-aged and no reviews. Good point.scope_creepTalk15:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- And I think he is 46, so he is well advanced in his career.Aszx5000(talk)15:38, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I couldn't find either anything in previews nor any mention of him in the play reviews. It a complete mystery to me how they can jump to a keep!vote almost immediately without presenting any evidence perWP:THREE.I did a search using reliable sources search which covers the major Canadian newspapers and not a thing came up, on him. There is reviews of the plays. You would think there would be some mention outwith passing mentions.scope_creepTalk14:25, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:per @Ssilvers.Subject appeared in various plays have sources which support them.Thewikizoomer(talk)16:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Thewikizoomer:What sources exactly. You seem to flit from Afd to Afd without providing any evidence for you keep!votes.WP:THREEis considered best practice for proving the person is notable. Do you have any reference that prove this person is notable?scope_creepTalk16:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete:Other than the CBC article about the one-man show, rest are simply confirmation of various performances... I don't consider the award terribly notable. Perhaps the Dora, rest are rather small/non-notable. I don't find additional coverage of this individual.Oaktree b(talk)20:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete.Per my comments above, has zeroWP:SIGCOVon him in any quality British RS (and nothing internationally). Is 46, so is well advanced in their career with no sign of their notability improving.Aszx5000(talk)15:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Delete.To add to the comments above, his own website says he "is arguably most “famous” for helping remind you to switch modes on your phone in the Air Canada in-flight safety video. "This is not a notable person. --asilvering(talk)23:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keep:notable existing sources.181.197.42.215(talk)02:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- ThisWP:SPAeditor has made few edits to Wikipedia.scope_creepTalk09:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete.Apart from the CBC story, this article lacksWP:SIGCOVin reliable national sources. The subject failsWP:GNG.— Precedingunsignedcomment added byDesiMoore(talk•contribs)15:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- Keepa quick BEFORE finds an in-depth significant media coverage - Ottawa Citizen 2004 (ProQuest240730536;GNG met with other articles already mentioned.. A lot of other material (224 hits in Proquest!).Nfitz(talk)01:30, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would like to see a bit of international coverage on the actor, some reviews, even country wide would be ideal. Torontow is an Ottawa born guy and local papers always report on their local folk. It their duty of care, if you like and a well known phenomena. It likely failsWP:AUD.scope_creepTalk10:54, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:AUDis reserved for companies and organisations,Atlantic306(talk)22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is the only piece on him and it is from a minor Canadian newspaper from Ottawa, and the subject is from Ottawa. There is no SIGCOV that I can find on him as a notable person in any national RS in any country (even Canadian). Given his job is promotion, Scope Creep's reference toWP:AUDin not unreasonable. At 46, if this is all he has, he is unlikely to be a notable person in his profession of performing? His Wikipedia article would be the biggest 'plank' in his notability. thanks.Aszx5000(talk)08:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)