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RfC: Taiwan, "country" or "state"

There has been continued discussion and failure to reach consensus on whether Taiwan should be called a "country" or "state" on the Taiwan article:Talk:Taiwan#Taiwan...is_a_country?I've opened an RfC to come to consensus.User:Stephen Balaban- 9:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Category:Chinese-language-only video games(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Category:Chinese-language-only video gamesneeds populating with games that are not just from mainland China. It wasnominated for deletionas a duplicate of a PRC-only videogame category. --65.92.244.143(talk)06:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

So... this is awkward (ROC dating)

Further information:Talk:Republic of China calendar § Dates before 1911,andWikipedia talk:WikiProject China § So... this is awkward (ROC dating)

Currently, our actual article on theRepublic of China calendarentirely sidesteps the issue of how things before 1912 get dated in that epoch. It's missing from our article but I'd imagine that's what actually happened: the laws introducing the new era simply tacked it on to the end of dating by imperial eras.

However, Wikipedians being Wikipedians,we currently have every year of human history back to719 BClabeled with its "Minguo calendar" equivalent, with everything before 1912 labelled "NNNNbefore ROC "followed by" dân tiềnNNNNNiên ". Is that actually based on anything real whatsoever?Is it the right phrasing in both languages?

If so, we should add it with whatever authority it has to our article and clarify what happens to the new Chinese dating during Europe's transition from Julian to Gregorian computation. (Does it follow Europe with using Julian dates earlier than some year? and, if so, which one? or does it just retroactively apply Gregorian dates indefinitely backwards, throwing everything a few weeks off standard dating?)

If not, we should be clear about what the cutoff between the two systems was (the old imperial system used lunisolar Chinese months and days and the new ROC system uses renumbered Gregorian ones) and fix ~3000 years of entries. That's probably easiest, since the obvious fix would just be removing the "Minguo calendar" entries from everything before 1912, appropriately leaving only the "Chinese calendar" date for those years. —LlywelynII19:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

zh: Dân quốc kỷ niênsays "Tây nguyên 1911 niên khả ký vi dân quốc tiền 1 niên, giản xưng dân tiền 1 niên, 1910 niên vi dân tiền 2 niên, y thử loại thôi." and cites two sources:[1]and a dead link. The source that's still online supports a phrasing like "Dân quốc tiền 12[ niên ]", but other sources likethis onesupport an abbreviation like "Dân tiền 12 niên". I also see some sources for "Dân nguyên tiền", e.g."Công nguyên 1128 niên dân nguyên tiền 784 niên".

In terms of Julian vs. Gregorian dates, I would guess most authors who use this convention just use whatever dates they have handy (whether that's Gregorian or Julian, or maybe Chinese for years further in the past). But that's just a guess. It seems most authors writing about events before the late Qing dynasty use Common Era years orChinese era nameyears rather than "before ROC" years. Taiwanese national standard CNS 7648 apparently governs the use of the Minguo calendar, but I can't find an unpaywalled copy. —Mx. Granger(talk·contribs)14:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Side point (Minguo era naming)

Main page:Talk:Republic of China calendar § Move/Change

Further information:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China § So... this is awkward (ROC dating)

Those 4000ish years of entries are also the most prominent use on the project of the system. They're possibly the most common use of the system in the English language. So... what's it actually called? The year infoboxes use "Minguo calendar", our article is at "Republic of China calendar", and Ngram thinks neither is remotely as common as "ROC era" (albeit with most of those uses talking about the ROC era of various places and topics as specifically the years 1912–1949). Whatever theWP:ENGLISHWP:COMMONNAMEfor the system is, it's what we should be using for both the page and the 4000ish infoboxes. —LlywelynII20:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move atTalk:2024 Taiwanese legislative reform protests#Requested move 7 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion atTalk:2024 Taiwanese legislative reform protests#Requested move 7 June 2024that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.Векочел(talk)12:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move atTalk:Chang Hsueh-liang#Requested move 6 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion atTalk:Chang Hsueh-liang#Requested move 6 June 2024that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.Векочел(talk)12:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Please keep tab on an article just in case there are untoward incidents

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As of now the contents atCyber Anakinhad been restored, however since the instigator of the removals and the whole larger incident is back after months of inactivity, it’s requested that you keep tab on the article for the time being. If any untoward incidents occur please either revert the changes or report it to the admins straight away where you can let them know about the news articles as well.

TheWikipedia Oversightteam may need to be pinged too as the instigator and their cohorts were spotted gaming/abusing legitimate on-wiki processes to put up doxxing/outing/smearing page(s) making personal attacks against the defenders back in 2022 immediately after they were exposed by news media, just in case.38.99.82.242(talk)09:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy ping@Jayen466:38.99.82.242(talk)09:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging@AnalogBiped:too because even though the wider world see it as possible CCP operation, the edit war incident has a nonzero chance of being linked to the Brian Hioe vs Keoni Everington feud as well. For those unaware what I’m talking about, please seethisfor context. Furthermore, extra due diligence is necessary since if I remembered correctly, the edit war instigator and their cohort may had the ability to compromise the VPN networks of some users who were defending the preservation of the content and impersonate them in order to revert their changes and further smearing their character through joe-jobbing. A red flag to look for is if an IP (including mine!) had a “sudden change of mind” and go over to the instigator’s side by reverting changes made prior by people who were inhibiting the instigator.38.99.82.242(talk)10:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Controversies related to Taiwanese media

One of my students was working on translating a related article from zh wiki to en, but we changed the topic due to the zh article having too much unreliable sources/original research/etc. But maybe someone will find this useful:User:TMXX0818/sandbox

The Chinese article is atzh: Đài loan môi thể loạn tượng_{Piotrus at Hanyang|reply here}05:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Gwoyeu Romatzyhunder Featured Article Review

I have nominatedGwoyeu Romatzyhfor afeatured article review here.Please join the discussion on whether this article meets thefeatured article criteria.Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process arehere.George Ho(talk)21:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move atTalk:President of the Republic of China#Requested move 25 June 2024

There is a requested move discussion atTalk:President of the Republic of China#Requested move 25 June 2024that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.'''[[User:CanonNi]]'''(talk•contribs)13:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Taiwanese indigenous peoples at FAR

I have nominatedTaiwanese indigenous peoplesfor afeatured article review here.Please join the discussion on whether this article meets thefeatured article criteria.Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process arehere.Z1720(talk)19:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested edit atTalk:Taiwan#Straw_poll

There is a requested edit discussion atTalk:Taiwan#Straw pollthat may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. The proposal is to addisland countryto the first sentence of the article vs.countryonly.Butterdiplomat(talk)15:22, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move atTalk:Constitution of the People's Republic of China#Requested move 4 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion atTalk:Constitution of the People's Republic of China#Requested move 4 July 2024that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.ASUKITE14:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move atTalk:Shamoji#Requested move 12 July 2024

There is a requested move discussion atTalk:Shamoji#Requested move 12 July 2024that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.RodRabelo7(talk)11:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)