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Bibliography: publications about Orville Peck

DearJJPMaster;thank you for your wiki-contributions. Just like yourself, I learn something new about Wiki-World almost everyday. Today you will learn about bibliographic articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Bibliographies Please take a look at another bibliographic article, that I contributed to recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer_bibliography.

I respectfully ask you to restore my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:List_of_publications_about_Orville_Peck, so that other wiki-editors can contribute to improving it. This article will be listed/formatted as a bibliography article.

Thank you in advance, Walter TauWalter Tau(talk)14:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Walter Tau:A few things. Firstly, I was not aware that bibliographies could be lists of publicationsaboutpeople before now, so thank you for that. However, your article still cannot be accepted (note that I have not deleted it; just declined it at Articles for Creation, so you can resubmit it at any time), for a few reasons:

1. Your article, as it stands, fails to demonstrate that it passes thenotability criterion for stand-alone lists,since the only citations are the publications themselves. That criterion says that any list, including a bibliography, must demonstrate that thegroup in questionhas receivedsignificant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject(sig/cov). To quote from the guideline:

   Topical bibliographies are lists of relevant books, journals and other references on a specific topic. The lead of a topical bibliography should establish the notability of the bibliography by citing at least two sources that demonstrate that relevant books, journals and other references on a specific topic have been discussedas a group.(emphasis mine)

   In other words, you must not demonstrate that individual members of the collection have sig/cov, but that the collection as a whole does.
2. I stand by my decline of the article as violatingWhat Wikipedia is not,since it appears that the list was compiled directly from some database, and includes seemingly every publication on the topic, including many duplicates. You have as yet failed to demonstrate that your article does not improperly use Wikipedia as anindiscriminate collection of information,as I alleged in my comment while declining the article.

However, I have partially reversed my renaming of the page after rereading the relevant guidelines. Either way, you can continue to make edits to the draft article, since it has not been deleted, and resubmit it if you wish. And if you wish for an impartial opinion, I suggest that you ask on theArticles for Creation help desk.JJP_Master(she/they)15:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@JJPMaster:thank you for getting back to me quickly. Today I learned, that there are notability criteria for bibliographic articles. A "list of his songs" would definitely meet the notability criteria (and it is provided in the article itselfhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orville_Peck#References), but I am less sure about a "list of publications about him" would qualify.

However, I came up with another idea: if you scroll down this webpagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Gaga,you will see a "Literary sources" section. These are publications aboutLady Gaga,which are not cited in the article. This list is limited to what the editor thought were the most important publications - it is not an exhausting list. What do you think about making a similar small "Literary sources" section forOrville Peck?Walter Tau(talk)16:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Walter Tau:That likely would be fine, and I advise that yoube bold.However, if your addition is reverted, you shouldcome to a consensus on the talk page(Talk:Lady Gaga).JJP_Master(she/they)18:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

JJPMaster,Walter Tau:If I may... that section atLady Gagaseems to me to be mistitled. It's a list ofbooksources. In any case, the proposed list of sources about Orville Peck is entirely or almost entirely journalism/magazines/fansites. If there are any extended treatments of him in books that are in there and haven't been used as references in the article, they should be used that way, not simply listed; but are there any? Walter Tau has been bold multiple times. There's an existing section atTalk:Orville Peck(which I think is what you meant to link to, JJPMaster), where Walter Tau has responded once. Walter Tau, if you can find any good sources about Peck within that list of database hits that are not yet cited in the article, please list them in that section. Since not everyone has access to the databases, that would be really useful.Yngvadottir(talk)02:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir:I wasn’t aware of the prior talk page discussion, so thank you for showing me that. So,Walter Tau,please seek consensus onTalk:Orville Peckbefore adding any of these sources en masse. And if you end up adding it, please read ourguideline on external linksfirst, and please do not just copy your full draft in there, since my points about Wikipedia not being a directory still stand.JJP_Master(she/they)02:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping out across Articles for Creation - your work here never goes unappreciated:-). Cheers.LR.127(talk)14:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Biased removal of content?

Hi how are you? I recently had an edit instantly removed by you as you claimed it was "Not helpful" the irony being it was a detailed breakdown on a conspiracy. Let me ask, were you the initial poster of the conspiracy? How is any claims referencing a memecoin to a government department allowed on here? I'd love for some rationality from your side.120.22.151.155(talk)03:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Although I do agree that there is no conspiracy like that, I removed it nevertheless. Three reasons:

1. You did not provide anyreliable sourcesfor the existence of this as a major conspiracy theory,
2. You wrote it in a verynon-neutraltone, using loaded political language, and
3. Even if this were a real conspiracy theory and written neutrally, it likely would not belong in theleadof the article, as we at Wikipedia try to avoid givingundue weighttofringe theories.

Meanwhile, the part that you removed, namely, that DOGE is a backronym for Dogecoin, is undisputed.JJP_Master(she/they)03:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

That's fine, when i first started the edit the conspiracy was there directly stating it was a "pump and dump" so i addressed the statement and provided insight. Which is what i thought this place was about. "DOGE is a backronym" IT is not though, look at any government acronym and their names, do you mean to tell me FBI is a backronym for 'fining black individuals'? If you check the edit history you will see somebody had wrote it was pump and dump, while i was editing you must have changed it to the doge backronym.

anyway appreciate your response, cheers.120.22.220.169(talk)03:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I can't seem to find any edit alleging such a conspiracy in the page history. And as for DOGE being a backronym, that claim in the article is sourced, so you will likely needconsensusonTalk:Department of Government Efficiencybefore removing it.JJP_Master(she/they)03:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Potential misfire

I'm assuming thatthiswas a misfire? —Red-tailed hawk_(nest)02:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

@Red-tailed hawk:Correct, I'm sorry. We've been dealing with a lot of one specific kind of vandalism ( "Mario Thomas Barros" --> "Mario Luigi Bros" ) from IPs, so I instinctively reverted the edit without realizing that it was actually the reversion of the vandalism I thought the edit itself was.JJP_Master(she/they)02:19, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Not a problem. —Red-tailed hawk_(nest)02:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Question fromVincentWikkiCookonMasaru Emoto(06:31, 24 November 2024)

Google Scholar has many studies correcting this misinformation on Maseru Emoto work

Abstract The hypothesis that water "treated" with intention can affect ice crystals formed from that water was pilot tested under double-blind conditions. A group of approximately 2,000 people in Tokyo focused positive intentions toward water samples located inside an electromagnetically shielded room in California. That group was unaware of similar water samples set aside in a different location as controls. Ice crystals formed from both sets of water samples were blindly identified and photographed by an analyst, and the resulting images were blindly assessed for aesthetic appeal by 100 independent judges. Results indicated that crystals from the treated water were given higher scores for aesthetic appeal than those from the control water (P =.001, one-tailed), lending support to the hypothesis.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16979104

Show me how to correct this misinformation

Vincent Cook --VincentWikkiCook(talk)06:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! However, I do not believe that this journal,Explore,is areliable source.Our article on it says,

Explorehas been heavily criticized both for the content it publishes and the beliefs of its editorial team. Its self-description and author information explicitly includespseudoscientifictopics well outside the mainstream of medical practice. Critics have noted this willingness to publish work in areas lacking a scientific basis, and have labelled it a "quack journal" which "doesn't limit itself to just one quackery, the way [the journal]Homeopathydoes ", a publisher of" truly ridiculous studies ", and as a" sham masquerading as a real scientific journal ".

I advise that you seekconsensusonTalk:Masaru Emotobefore making any changes citing this source, as there are likely to be objections.JJP_Master(she/they)06:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)