User talk:Jokulhlaup

Welcome!

Hello, Jokulhlaup, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you foryour contributions,especially on theRiver Raseand other English rivers. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

If you need help, check outWikipedia:Questions,ask me onmy talk page,or ask your question on this page and then place{{help me}}before the question. Again, welcome!DThomsen8(talk)19:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Can't beat a nice cup of tea, milk and two please...Jokulhlaup(talk)17:39, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for work on Tame

Thanks from a human for your work on the Tame, West Midlands. It badly needed a decent infobox and it really does look a lot better for it.Sjwells53(talk)22:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

River Tame (West Midlands)

Thanks for your message on this. I liked the Geobox as it was, but can't say I'm hugely distressed if people want the shuffle the pictures a bit. I was hoping more people would contribute photos to document the Tame further downstream, but they haven't to any great extent. I quite like the idea of showing how a river grows in the galleries. I think people always like some view that corresponds to their own stretch of river, and that's understandable.Sjwells53(talk)17:29, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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That's a bug with the reviewing software. I think it wasa reminder about grammar.Barney the barney barney(talk)20:17, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Midlands map

Hey, I'm glad you're making use of the location map. But I'm afraid it was a few years ago now and I do not know exactly how I went about doing it. Also, I'm not as active on Wikipedia as I used to be. However, Wikipedia does have aMap workshopin which users can request new maps. Maybe you could try there. Thanks!Del_♉sion23(talk)21:07, 28 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Map with more than one place

Thank you for providing the Guinea map with at least two places marked. I need to study this in order to repeat this. Maps with hopefully multiple would be useful for marking railways, such as from mine to port.

I have added a third place (mine) to the Guinea map. How does one enter lat and long in degrees/minutes/seconds?

SeeGuinea Map Tabletop(talk)02:04, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help!

Hi Jokulhlaup, Thanks for all the editing you've been doing on the York Museums Trust article in AFC. It's great! As the YMT Wikipedian in Residence I have been unable to do more than make the bare bones. However, I have added a few resources to a table on ourproject page.They might help you out a bit. CheersPatHadley(talk)18:46, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, got there in the end! Thanks for all your help. Let me know if there are any YMT resources that might help with your editing for the future? Cheers,PatHadley(talk)19:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Kenai Riverassessment

(see also:Template:Kenai River system)

I'm curious as to how you came to to the conclusion that this river is of low importance. I had a look atWikipedia:WikiProject_Rivers/Assessment#Importance_scaleand it seems to say that low-importance rivers are small streams that are relatively unknown. This is the only major inland waterway on the Kenai Peninsula, it passes through two major lakes, and people come from all over the world to fish for salmon in its waters. It is the reason that the many towns along its banks exist. Seems like at least mid-importance to me.Beeblebrox(talk)17:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Beeblebrox, thanks for checking on this - I based the importance initially on the length, which at less than 100 miles usually means a short Low importance river. Having had another look, the fishing does give it a greater importance, so I will amend to a mid.Jokulhlaup(talk)19:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks!Beeblebrox(talk)19:13, 29 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

River Trent's fishes

Hello again Jokulhlaup, Thanks for your note on my talk page -- I answered it there. I also wanted to say that this morning I removed the "more citations needed" tag that was at the top of the article. As I noted on the article's talk page, I don't think the piece actually needsmorecitations, I think the main thing that is missing is that the master list should have individual citations for each of the species listed there. Do you think you could do that? Then I think the piece would really be in great shape. Best wishes,Invertzoo(talk)13:18, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing: it would be good to give a citation for the note in the image caption that says "King's Mill near Castle Donington was the location for catches of sturgeon and eels"Invertzoo(talk)14:29, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

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Ways to improve River Kemp

Hi, I'm Ormr2014. Jokulhlaup, thanks for creatingRiver Kemp!

I've just tagged the page, using ourpage curationtools, as having some issues to fix. Please include additional information and references. Could us a mini map as well.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment onmy talk page.Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers atthe Teahouse.Ormr2014(talk)14:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments copied toTalk:River Kempfor response...Jokulhlaup(talk)17:39, 10 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Rivers assessment

Hello, Thank you for your message. Your contribution has certainly been much greater than mine. Well done.--Johnsoniensis(talk)19:08, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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A Barnstar For You

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		For creating lots of nice lighthouse articles. Well done!Anna Frodesiak(talk)02:39, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many Thanks for the Barnstar, it makes for a very nice Christmas Eve present...Jokulhlaup(talk)13:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Salmon River C-class rating

Hello Jokulhlaup, thanks for taking the time to assessSalmon River (New York),which is an article I've sunk a bit of time into lately. You rated it as "C-class" indicating that the article "may still have significant problems or require substantial cleanup." I'm curious what large problems you are seeing with the article, so that I can attempt to improve it. Thanks!Antepenultimate(talk)12:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, and thanks for the message. My initial thought was that it was much better than a Start class article, which was how I had rated it last year. Let me have a closer look, and I will let you know on the talk page...Jokulhlaup(talk)12:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jokulhlaup, thanks for re-assessment and the kind words on my talk page, and thanks especially for the feedback. I had been wondering where to go to get some critical eyes on the article, so your assessment just now was very serendipitous. I will take a look at adding some of what you note to be lacking to the article. Thanks again!Antepenultimate(talk)18:02, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me have another look, I'm pleased you found the comments useful...Jokulhlaup(talk)20:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you

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		for your help in improving the hydrology and water quality on the article about theRiver Tone—Rod^talk17:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice and many thanks. Glad I could help, let's hope that this will get it through the Good Article review...Jokulhlaup(talk)17:36, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rivers of Spain

Putting all those rivers again in "Category:Rivers of Spain" makes no sense, it's not consistent with "Category:Rivers of the United Kingdom,""Category:Rivers of the United States,"etcetera. --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk)11:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion continued atCategory talk:Rivers of Spain...Jokulhlaup(talk)13:05, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Help Akshardham Environment Violation Section

Hello, If you have time would you please take a look at this article:[1]and this discussion[2]and provide your input. There is a content dispute occurring and I feel fresh eyes would help because of your experience.[3].

Thank youSwamiblue(talk)22:57, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Been busy elsewhere for a while, having now had a quick look I don't think my knowledge can really help in this case. Apologies...Jokulhlaup(talk)14:44, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

River Tale has been nominated for Did You Know

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DYK for River Tale

On9 January 2016,Did you knowwas updated with a fact from the articleRiver Tale,which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was... that despite its name meaning "quick, active, swift" inOld English,theRiver Taleis noted as being "sluggish"?The nomination discussion and review may be seen atTemplate:Did you know nominations/River Tale.You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page(here's how,daily totals),and it may be added tothe statistics pageif the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on theDid you know talk page.

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Also wanted to say that it was a nice job you did of salvaging and editing the article. Bravo.Onel5969^{TT me}17:52, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note, much appreciated. I thought it deserved a helping hand, when I saw it as a draft article within theWikipedia:WikiProject Riverstable...Jokulhlaup(talk)18:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Lighthouse Barnstar

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		For writing tons of articles on lighthouses!jonkerz♠talk 21:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gah, I just noticed the "For convenience, all lighthouses in the Canary Islands should be included in this category" note. I'm not sure I agree, but I may have some restoring to do. Anyways, thanks for all the work you have done related to lighthouses! Cheers,jonkerz♠talk 21:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, a lighthouse barnstar, that’s brightened up my day. Many thanks for this, sorry you don’t like my categorization quite as much.☺ Cheers to you too...Jokulhlaup(talk)09:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First, if the community believes this type of categorization is an improvement, or if you can convince me that it is, I'll restore the categories myself in a heartbeat. But, I do not believe that is the case, and it actually made finding the Lanzarote/La Palma/El Hierro lighthouses harder.

Not saying you support this, but putting all articles inCategory:Lighthouses in Spainwould also be convient for readers who want to browse all articles on lighthouses in Spain. OrCategory:Lighthouses in EuropeandCategory:Lighthouses,if we are to take the example further.

Category:Lighthouses in the Canary Islandsis the only category that transcludes{{Allincluded}},so it's not "the normal" way of categorizing articles. Experimentation and all that is good, but the reason we haveWP:OCATis because it has been tried in the past. I see how it is convenient to have a self-maintaining list (ie category) of all Canarian lighthouses, but it clutters the categories and I'm afraid that browsing WP articles in this way will not be possible until the MediaWiki software has been improved to support it (and that would take at least a couple of years even if the WMF wanted to do something about it).jonkerz♠talk 10:08, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh,nowI remember why "Jokulhaups" sounded familiar:)jonkerz♠talk 10:14, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for explanations. I probably prefer to over categorize, maybe as a result of struggling to find lighthouses tucked away in too many sub-cats (my next step would have been to do an all-in forCategory:Lighthouses in Spain,but I will hold-off on that). I will leave the Canaries as you left it, maybe too manyPunta...titles didn't really help. And thanks for theMagic cardslink, I can pretend to use that if it all gets too much here on the wiki...Jokulhlaup(talk)10:59, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you never have to play that card, at least not when I don't have a Counter Spell on my hand:) A thing you could do is to move the maps to{{Lighthouses of Tenerife}},{{Lighthouses of Fuerteventura}}and{{Lighthouses of Gran Canaria}},so that only a single page has to be changed in case a map needs to be updated, just a suggestion.jonkerz♠talk 11:42, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the useful tip, that could save me a lot of time...Jokulhlaup(talk)09:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Did you just help me

atList of Holocaust memorials and museums in the United Statesbecause I was born inSiglufjordur?Carptrash(talk)18:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice to say that I did, but it was only that you asked for some help and I knew where to look.Siglufjörðurlooks like a nice place though. All the best...Jokulhlaup(talk)08:52, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

River categories

I'm starting a new discussion atWP:CFDabout the naming of river categories. Since you have participated in at least one of the recent discussions in the matter you may want to express your opinion atWikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 11#Rivers.עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 02:40, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know...Jokulhlaup(talk)09:00, 11 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Another barnstar for you

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		Forthishuge edit! Thank you so much. You are wonderful!Anna Frodesiak(talk)06:41, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Really pleased that you liked it, credit should go to you as well for creating the initial list. Cheers...Jokulhlaup(talk)11:31, 20 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not Moriarty...

Are we being a strict stickler in that he designed but didn't actually build two lighthouses listed?Dave Rave(talk)10:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for raising this, I was quickly checking which articles needed a WP:Lighthouse template and thought he didn't warranted inclusion in the builders cat. I've reverted the removal of the cat, I was looking to see how many lighthouses he had designed and only saw one. A closer check showed he had designed three...Jokulhlaup(talk)09:39, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

eggsellent... do you not think that one is enough? but also, design versus build? I'm happy to alter the categories accordinglyDave Rave(talk)10:32, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the slow response; I have been busy elsewhere with a number of other issues etc. I think thatWP:CATDEFapplies, so being a lighthouse builder or engineer should be a defining characteristic of that person. A new category forLighthouse engineerswould help...Jokulhlaup(talk)12:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bedburn Beck

That was a remarkably easy edit to make - that attractive photo looks very like the stream I remember playing in 60 years ago...Narky Blert(talk)16:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a nice image, and one of the reasons I created the article - thanks again for resolving the dab on that one...Jokulhlaup(talk)16:18, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Square frustum

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"Tower" implies verticality. Your eccentric language lasted a lot longer than it should have.Mangoe(talk)19:18, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

HiChesipiero.Apologies for the slow response (been busy elsewhere), edits byMangoeprompted me to investigate how widespread some of these terms were used on lighthouse articles. I think that some were wrong, and at best, most were overcomplicating the description of a simple tower. Regards...Jokulhlaup(talk)16:21, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rivers#Request_for_comments_on_the_Geobox/Infobox_river_templates

Hi Jokulhlaup. Just to let you know I have closed an RFC you created, atWikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Rivers#Request_for_comments_on_the_Geobox/Infobox_river_templates.Apologies for the delay in closing this request for comment; there is a large backlog of complex RFCs requiring admin closure. Regards,fish&karate12:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing the close on this and the nicely balanced summary, much appreciated...Jokulhlaup(talk)18:04, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

River Dulas

Hi, this is my first time on Wikipedia, apologies if I go about this incorrectly.

I have noticed that the article relating toRiver Dulas(Ceredigion) is accompanied by a photo of a different Dulas, namely one a little further north, on the other side of the Teifi, which is a tributary of the Brefi. To reiterate, the subject of the article (the river passing Llangybi) is not the river in the image on the page; the latter, as the text next to the image says, is a tributary of the Brefi (which is on the other side of the Teifi to Llangybi, near Llanddewi Brefi). If anyone can help me to change this image for one that is definitely of the relevant Dulas that would be great.

Many thanks,JSWILD(talk)23:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HiJSWILDas you have seen, I've replied over at theRivers Project Talk Page...Jokulhlaup(talk)14:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of tributaries of the River Ribble

I was going to send Thanks to acknowledge my mistake atList of tributaries of the River Ribble,but that option seems to have disappeared. When I looked at the source yesterday I could have sworn that the Limestone Ribble was in Wales (maybe something to do with Pen-y-ghent). I was obviously half-asleep, sorry for my error.TiB chat18:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, you did have me worried for a moment, so I had to double check in case I had mixed it up with theThe other Yorkshire Ribble.Thanks for letting me know...Jokulhlaup(talk)19:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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River Tables

Name	Downstream Order	Stream Order	Strahler No. Order
East Sweetwater River	1	2	1
Blucher Creek	2	3	1
Lander Creek	3	2	2
Pine Creek	4	2	1
Meadow Creek	5	2	1
Willow Creek	6	2	1
Slate Creek	7	3	1
Rock Creek	8	2	2
South Fork Sulphur Creek	9	4	1
Sulphur Creek	10	3	1
East Alkali Creek	11	3	1
Alkali Creek	12	2	2
West Fork Long Creek	13	3	1
East Fork Long Creek	14	3	1
Long Creek	15	2	2
Ice Slough	16	2	1
Buffalo Creek	17	2	1
West Sage Hen Creek	18	3	1
Sage Hen Creek	19	2	2
Sheep Creek	20	3	1
Jost Creek	21	3	1
Crooks Creek	22	2	2
West Cottonwood Creek	23	3	1
Cottonwood Creek	24	2	1
Willow Creek	25	2	1
Muddy Creek	26	2	1
Cherry Creek	27	2	1
Rush Creek	28	2	1
Dry Creek	29	2	1
Sweetwater River	30	1	3

Hi! I've recently been getting interested in watersheds, drainage basins and tributaries, and as I was perusing through the archives ofWP:RIVERI noticed there was a lot of back and forth about lists vs categories. At the very end of one of the discussions in 2016, I noticed you had what seemed like a nice little suggestion, which was the table. It didn't seem like anyone responded in the thread (or in the wild, given the state of existing Lists of Rivers of X).

Did you ever try mock one up for an actual river? I'm curious about what challenges you ran into. If you didn't ever try to mock one up, maybe you would be interested in helping me mock one up for a larger river like the Mississippi? I'm not very familiar with the Stream Order system, so I'm not sure if you can start with the terminal river and work your way back, or if you have to find the very first tributaries and work your way down. I'm also not sure how to deal with distributaries in this system, like theAtchafalaya River.Look forward to your response! -Furicorn(talk)12:18, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Furicorn, I will have a look back to remind myself of what I suggested and reply asap...Jokulhlaup(talk)08:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HelloFuricorn,I've reacquainted myself with the table etc. and theMississippi,I think what you have suggested would be difficult to achieve given the number of tributaries involved.This articleshows there are 7,000 tribs which would be an unmanageable number to include in a single table not to mention the time it would take to pull together. That article led me to theUSGS Streamer systemwhich allows you to find all the upstream or downstream tribs for any US river, so the information is available. I used itsdetailed reportto create the table for theSweetwatera trib of the North Platte, which took some time even for this small system (The Sweetwater is currently the only one with an article, assuming theList_of_tributaries_of_the_Missouri_River#Platte_River_Basinis correct). A lot depends on the scale of the list and what is included, the problem is that unless you include everything then the stream ordering doesn't work out. Anyway, have a look to see what you think --Jokulhlaup(talk)14:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ThanksJokulhlaup,this is really helpful! I definitely agree that a single list would be unmanageable. Working onCategory:Missouri river stubs,I suspected that the stream ordering system would not work very well for the Mississippi watershed, given how huge a landmass eventually drains into it.

Looking at a smaller level, perhaps a series of tables could be created at some level of theHUC watershed system.My only problem is I'm not sure how to access the new version of HUC, it seems to require GIS and I don't yet have any familiarity with how to run a GIS program. Theold versionis available, but it seems like some changes were made at the Subbasin level (level 4 of the 6 levels) of the [Hydrological_code#United_States|US Hydrological code]. You wouldn't happen to know anything about GIS, or the changes made? Otherwise, maybe the lists could just be made at level 3 (Basin/Accounting Unit), or I might ask around atWP:RIVER.-Furicorn(talk)14:35, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I took a look at streamer, and tried to run a report approximatingthe basin/accounting unit 101201.Myresultswere extensive, but it seems like with a lot of work, maybe this level could be the basis for a set of tables. An unsolved item in addition to the ones you mentioned, is it's a little difficult for me to tie back the streamer results to the HUC numbers. It's a pity one can't limit the analysis to one section of a river, since sometimes the Basins only look at a portion of a river. Ultimately though, I aree with you that it would be very difficult to do this for any of the larger rivers. -Furicorn(talk)14:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I was looking at theList_of_tributaries_of_the_Missouri_River#Platte_River_Basin,was wondering if I misunderstood you aboutSweetwater.It looked like there were several other tribs with articles likeLaramie River,but did you maybe mean they were stubs or something? -Furicorn(talk)16:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What action to take re Infobox river / Geobox river Tfd/merge

Really would like your insights atUser talk:Qui1che#Gauge interest in pursuing dispute resolution re the Geobox river / Infobox River Tfd and merge process.--papageno(talk)00:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Source of the River Soar

The Copston Magna source is wrong. Claybrooke Mill is on the River Soar. The current owner Mr. John Eyles has confirmed to me that it is written in his deeds. From it's confluence with the Soar Brook it goes upstream to Claybrooke Mill across the Ullesthorpe to Claybrooke Parva road, across the A5, across Green Lane to a hedge two square fields south east of Cloudsley Bush, which is at the crossroads of the Fosse Way and Coalpit Lane (the Lutterworth to Nuneaton road). I've been there.James R Hall(talk)23:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me about this, I did see your post atTalk:River_Soar#Source_of_the_Soar,but didn't have time to respond. I agree with your description of the source, as it matches the sources given on the talk page...Jokulhlaup(talk)10:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How do we get this corrected? I'm not a Wikipedia greek,I think I've done well to have navigated myself this far.James R Hall(talk)22:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can you put what you think needs changing atTalk:River_Soar#Source_of_the_Soarrather than here, so that it others can see it etc. Changes to articles should be discussed on their talk pages, so editiors can follow any discussion. Thanks...Jokulhlaup(talk)16:45, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1990-1991 Philadelphia measles outbreakinfobox correction

Thank you for your help in the Philadelphia Liberty Loans Parade adjustment in the inbox. Much appreciated. Go to above page, go to infobox, change Non-fatal injuries to Confirmed cases. Tried going to Template:outbreak but no help. Thank you for your time.2601:581:8402:1EE0:304C:CD3D:3958:6A95(talk)15:15, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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William Douglas, lighthouse designer

I refer to your removal of the image of the Fastnet Lighthouse from the article aboutWilliam Douglas (engineer).

I think that you will find that he did design theFastnet Lighthouse.But no harm done.Shipsview(talk)09:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sureShipsview?I thought it was his uncleWilliam Douglass (engineer, born 1831)as per thisbiographywhich says 'The major achievement of his career was the design and initial construction of the new Fastnet lighthouse'. William Douglass (engineer, born 1831) is the wiki-link used in the Fastnet article...Jokulhlaup(talk)10:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops! I stand corrected! I had forgotten about William Douglass the elder.Shipsview(talk)14:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problem - glad we sorted it out. I recently finished an article onMew Island Lighthouseand it took me some time to work out which Will Douglass was the right one for that light, and hence led me to make the change.-Jokulhlaup(talk)15:18, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Point of Ayr

Thanks for sorting out the details on that lighthouse. I admit those dates were rather confusing, and the only interpretation that made sense was that there were two different lighthouses! — Martin(MSGJ·talk)19:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, it was rather confusing and needed a close reading of the references...Jokulhlaup(talk)08:57, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When there are two different lighthouses, it is definitely clearer to use separate items, like I have done withFastnet Lighthouse(Q3067133)andFastnet Lighthouse(Q105730738).Obviously with Point of Ayr I got that completely wrong! By the way, do you agree that the image is of the first Fastnet lighthouse? — Martin(MSGJ·talk)16:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree if there are two separate lighthouses then there should be two items. In terms of the image, this is the first Fastnet tower, the second tower extends down to sea level so is quite different. There is quite a discussion about this rare image it on itsFlickr pagethe base of this tower was used as a fuel store and remains on the rock. The image could be tidied up quite a bit, so I will ask (when I get a moment) at theCommons:Graphic Lab/Photography workshopto see if they can help...Jokulhlaup(talk)09:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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