Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion

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Miscellany for deletion(MfD) is a place whereWikipediansdecide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specializeddeletion discussion areas.Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by anadministratoror kept, based on communityconsensusas evident from the discussion, consistent withpolicy,and with careful judgment of therough consensusif required.

Filtered versions of the page are available at

• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion no drafts
• Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion no portals

Information on the process

What may be nominated for deletion here:

• Pages not covered by otherXFDvenues, including pages in thesenamespaces:Draft:,Help:,Portal:,MediaWiki:,Wikipedia:(including WikiProjects),User:,TimedText:and the variousTalk:namespaces
• Userboxes(regardless of namespace)
• Pages in theFilenamespace that have a local description page but no local file (if there is a local file,Wikipedia:Files for discussionis the right venue)
• Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correctXfDvenue.

Requests to undelete pages deleted after discussion here, and debate whether discussions here have been properly closed, both take place atWikipedia:Deletion review,in accordance with Wikipedia'sundeletion policy.

Before nominating a page for deletion

Before nominating a page for deletion, please consider these guidelines:

Deleting pages in your own userspace	If you want to have your own userpage or a draft you created deleted, there is no need to list it here; simply tag it with{{db-userreq}}or{{db-u1}}.If you wish to clear your user talk page or sandbox, just blank it.
Duplications in draftspace?	Duplications in draftspace are usually satisfactorily fixed by redirection. If the material is in mainspace, redirect the draft to the article, or a section of the article. If multiple draft pages on the same topic have been created, tag them for merging. SeeWP:SRE.
Deleting pages in other people's userspace	Consider explaining your concerns on the user's talk pagewith a personal note or by adding{{subst:Uw-userpage}} ~~~~to their talk page. This step assumes good faith and civility; often the user is simply unaware of the guidelines, and the page can either be fixed or speedily deleted using{{db-userreq}}. Take care not to bite newcomers– sometimes using the {{subst:welcome}} or {{subst:welcomeg}} template and a pointer toWP:UPwould be best first. Problematic userspace materialis often addressed by theUser pages guidelinesincluding in some cases removal by any user or tagging to clarify the content or to prevent external search engine inde xing.(Examples include copies of old, deleted, or disputed material, problematic drafts, promotional material, offensive material, inappropriate links, 'spoofing' of the MediaWiki interface, disruptive HTML, invitations or advocacy of disruption, certain kinds of images and image galleries, etc)If your concern relates to these areas consider these approaches as well, or instead of, deletion. User pages about Wikipedia-related matters by established usersusually do not qualify for deletion. Articles that were recently deleted atAfDand then moved to userspaceare generallynotdeleted unless they have lingered in userspace for an extended period of time without improvement to address the concerns that resulted in their deletion at AfD, or their content otherwise violates a global content policy such as our policies onBiographies of living personsthat applies to any namespace.
Policies, guidelines and process pages	Established pages and their sub-pagesshould not be nominated, as such nominations will probably be considereddisruptive,and the ensuing discussionsclosed early.This is not a forum for modifying or revoking policy. Instead consider tagging the policy as{{historical}}or redirecting it somewhere. Proposals still under discussiongenerally should not be nominated. If you oppose a proposal,discuss it on the policy page's discussion page.Considerbeing boldand improving the proposal. Modify the proposal so that it gains consensus. Also note that even if a policy fails to gain consensus, it is often useful toretain it as a historical record,for the benefit of future editors.
WikiProjects and their subpages	It is generally preferable thatinactive WikiProjectsnot be deleted, but instead be marked as{{WikiProject status|inactive}},redirected to a relevant WikiProject, or changed to a task force of a parent WikiProject, unless the WikiProject was incompletely created or is entirely undesirable. WikiProjects that were never very active and which do not have substantial historical discussions (meaning multiple discussions over an extended period of time) on the project talk page shouldnotbe tagged as{{historical}};reserve this tag for historically active projects that have, over time, been replaced by other processes or that contain substantial discussion (as defined above) of the organization of a significant area of Wikipedia. Before deletion of an inactive project with a founder or other formerly active members who are active elsewhere on Wikipedia, consideruserfication. Notify the main WikiProject talk page when nominating any WikiProject subpage, in addition to standard notification of the page creator.
Alternatives to deletion	Normal editing that doesn't require the use of any administrator tools,such asmergingthe page into another page orrenamingit, can often resolve problems. Pages in the wrong namespace(e.g. an article in Wikipedia namespace), can simply bemovedand then tag the redirect for speedy deletion using {{db-g6|rationale= it's a redirect left after a cross-namespace move}}. Notify the author of the original article of the cross-namespace move.
Alternatives to MfD	Speedy deletionIf the page clearly satisfies a "general" or "user"speedy deletion criterion,tag it with the appropriate template. Be sure to read the entire criterion, as some do not apply in the user space.

Please familiarize yourself with the following policies

• Wikipedia:Deletion policy– our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
• Wikipedia:Deletion process– our guidelines on how to list anything for deletion
• Wikipedia:Guide to deletion– a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
• Wikipedia:Project namespace– our guidelines on "Wikipedia" namespace pages
• Wikipedia:User page– our guidelines on user pages and user subpages
• Wikipedia:Userboxes– our guideline on userboxes

How to list pages for deletion

Please check the aforementioned list of deletion discussion areas to check thatyou are in the right area.Then follow these instructions:

Instructions on listing pages for deletion:

To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process:(replacePageNamewith the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted) Note:Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning onWikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletionwith a notification to a registered user to complete the process. I. EditPageName: Enter the following text at thetopof the page you are listing for deletion: {{mfd|1={{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}}} for a second or subsequent nomination use{{mfdx|2nd}} or {{mfd|GroupName}} if nominating several similar related pages in an umbrella nomination. Choose a suitable name asGroupNameand use it on each page. If the nomination is for a userbox or similarlytranscludedpage, use{{subst:mfd-inline}}so as to not mess up the formatting for the userbox. Use{{subst:mfd-inline|GroupName}}for a group nomination of several related userboxes or similarly transcluded pages. Please include in the edit summary the phrase Added MfD nomination at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacePageNamewith the name of the page that is up for deletion. Please don't mark your edit summary as a minor edit. Check the "Watch this page" box if you would like to follow the page in your watchlist. This may help you to notice if your MfD tag is removed by someone. Save the page II. Create its MfD subpage. The resulting MfD box at the top of the page should contain the link "this page's entry" Click that link to open the page's deletion discussion page. Insert this text: {{subst:mfd2| pg={{subst:#titleparts:{{subst:PAGENAME}}||2}}| text=Reason why the page should be deleted}} ~~~~ replacingReason...with your reasons why the page should be deleted and sign the page. Donotsubstitute the pagename, as this will occur automatically. Consider checking "Watch this page" to follow the progress of the debate. Please use an edit summary such as Creating deletion discussion page for [[PageName]] replacingPageNamewith the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. If appropriate, inform members of the most relevantWikiProjectsthrough one or more"deletion sorting lists".Then add a{{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}}template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done. Save the page. III. Add a line to MfD. Followthis edit linkand at thetopof the list add a line: {{subst:mfd3| pg=PageName}} Put the page's name in place of "PageName". Include the discussion page's name in your edit summary like Added [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacingPageNamewith the name of the page you are proposing for deletion. Save the page. If nominating a page that has been nominated before, use the page's name in place of "PageName" and add {{priorxfd|PageName}} in the nominated page deletion discussion area to link to the previous discussions and then save the page using an edit summary such as Added [[Template:priorxfd]] to link to prior discussions. If nominating a page from someone else's userspace,notify themon their main talk page. For other pages, while not required, it is generally considered civil to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the miscellany that you are nominating. To find the main contributors, look in thepage historyortalk pageof the page and/or useTDS' Article Contribution CounterorWikipedia Page History Statistics.For your convenience, you may add {{subst:mfd notice|PageName}} ~~~~ to their talk page in the "edit source" section, replacingPageNamewith the pagename. Please use an edit summary such as Notice of deletion discussion at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/PageName]] replacingPageNamewith the name of the nomination page you are proposing for deletion. If the user has not edited in a while, consider sending the user an email to notify them about the MfD if the MfD concerns their user pages. If you are nominating a WikiProject, please post a notice atWikipedia talk:WikiProject Council,in addition to the project's talk page and the talk pages of the founder and active members.

Administrator instructions

XFD backlog

V	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Total
CfD	0	0	4	11	15
TfD	0	0	0	2	2
MfD	0	0	0	2	2
FfD	0	0	0	11	11
RfD	0	0	4	27	31
AfD	0	0	0	0	0

Administrator instructions for closing and relisting discussions can be foundhere.

Archived discussions

A list of archived discussions can be located atWikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.

Current discussions

Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.

July 20, 2024

User:Valjean/Archive 32

User:Valjean/Archive 32(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

This is a violation of numerous site policies.

1) Editors should not use Wikipedia for content that they insist other editors are not allowed to read or discuss. 2) The title is deliberately misleading; the page is not a talk-page archive, but an extremely long and rambling article about the "Donald Trump pee tape" and other rumors involving Russia. 3) Some of the accusations and insinuations against Mr. Trump are BLP violations; the clear intention of the article is to engage in personal attacks against Mr. Trump.Walsh90210(talk)15:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Editors are allowed to use their private userspace for article development. The URL is deliberately neutral to avoid it being noticed and publicized by bad actors. I am not interested in promoting this content. Your opinions of the insinuations and accusations made by RS, Congressional investigations, and the intelligence community should not be used as the reason for deleting content that is being developed for an article. It is not ready for publication yet, so don't judge it as if it had already been publicized. That's an attitude that works against article development and our RS and Verifiability PAG. I am working on, revising, rearranging, and continually paring down, this article-to-be. This may not be its final format.

Keep your political views out of this. This is harassment. You should read it and the sources before acting, and then wait until publication. You will learn a lot.

Whether the rumor is true or not, RS and official investigations have written a lot about the rumor, and the topic is obviously quite notable, so an MfD or AfD would be improper. Harassment of editors while they are developing articles based on RS is a serious breach of conduct norms here and can have wide and damaging ramifications that prevent the development of potentially controversial articles. That is the effect here, and it's a really nasty move. The chilling effect is enormous. --Valjean(talk) (PING me)15:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

The hypocrisy of a person who puts "This is my sandbox. No cats allowed. Just stay away. If you want to discuss this, DON'T use any talk pages. Email me." at the top of a page accusing others of a "chilling effect" and "harassment" for looking at it is immense. I will not reply to any of the other accusations against me.Walsh90210(talk)16:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I did that because I don't want my work to be misused to push a POV or draw attention to it. That would be a forbidden misuse of userspace. You are the one drawing attention to it. Articles, not drafts, are what should get attention.

Stop and think about the chilling effect this has. No editor will ever be safe when creating legitimate content, no matter how notable and well-sourced. This kind of harassment should not be allowed, and we need a guideline to prevent it. --Valjean(talk) (PING me)16:33, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deletefor the following reasons:
  • • This is an entirely negative page about a living person who is the subject of abiography of a living person.It is not anattack pagethat is subject tospeedy deletionbecause it is sourced, but it violatesneutral point of view.
    • If the user wants to develop article material without interference by other editors, they can do so on their own computer.
    • If the user wants to display content to the general public but does not want them to edit it and does not want them to discuss it on a talk page, then the user is seeking to use Wikipedia as aweb host.
    • Since we already have an article onDonald J. Trump,the user appears to be developing a subordinate article. Discussion of whether tospin outorsplitan article should be on the talk page of the parent article,Talk:Donald J. Trump,not by creating a draft child article subject toarticle ownership.
    • The originator says that we need a guideline to prevent:This kind of harassment.I would be interested in seeing and reviewing the draft guideline.
    • This isn't exactly a sandbox and isn't exactly a draft, but it is problematic as either.Robert McClenon(talk)20:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete.Apart from the problems of the content itself (BLP violations etc.), the user needs to be reminded ofWP:OWN.Placing limits on how a user page (or any page) can be discussed is not any one user's prerogative. I also ask my fellow MfD participants to reviewUser:Valjean/Archive 31andUser:Valjean/Archive 30which have very similar histories to the nominated page except they are blanked. They may also be eligible for deletion.Nickps(talk)22:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon:please clarify a few things for me:

1. You say it "isn't exactly a sandbox". Please point me to the PAG that requires a page that is clearly labeled as "removed from search engines' indexes" and a "This is my sandbox." (plus "This is not a Wikipedia article: It is an individual user's work-in-progress page, and may be incomplete and/or unreliable." ) to have a URL or title that also says "sandbox". What have I done wrong?
2. You say it "isn't exactly a draft". It is clearly labeled a "draft": "For guidance on developing this draft, see Wikipedia: So you made a userspace draft." Please point me to the PAG that requires it to be labeled a "draft" in some other manner. The URL and title can be WXYZ or!@#$%^, AFAIK. I don't know of any rule about this.
3. Please point me to the PAG that forbids the creation of an article when it, right from the beginning, is obviously too large to be included in a main article. There are such things as articles that mention Trump where he is not the main topic of the article, even though it touches on him. The title describes the topic accurately and has high common name recognition value. What PAG have I violated?
4. You write "If the user wants to display content to the general public" I do not want to do that, hence the odd URL. I deliberately try NOT to draw attention to it. It is not an essay, and I do not mention it anywhere else, link to it, or share it anywhere else. I am not interested in misusing my userspace. I am doing what editors are allowed to do here, which is to use their userspace to host drafts they are developing as articles or other products useful to the project. What have I done wrong? What PAG have I violated?
5. BLP applies to "unsourced" negative content, not to properly sourced negative content that is part of documenting a topic like this one. You don't seem to have read the page or know what it's about. You probably think that what is written about it atSteele dossiercovers the topic, but that barely scratches the surface, as this rumor started in 2013, and Trump has known about it since then, long before the dossier was imagined.

Please answer my questions.The content is based on myriad RS, many of the highest quality and reliability, as this has national security implications and is the subject of FBI and Congressional investigations, testimony, and several lawsuits by Trump, which he has lost.

You should read these DYK? items. Myriad RS are behind each one:

Did you know?

• ... that Trump has known about the rumor since he left Moscow in 2013?
• ... that the rumor did not start with the Steele dossier? The dossier only repeats the original rumor.
• ... that Trump has repeatedly lied about this? He even dared do it to the Director of the FBI.
• ... that Trump's lies were so blatant and egregious that they got the Director of the FBI to change from a pee tape skeptic to a maybe peeliever?
• ... that many other notable people have strong suspicions that the rumor is true?
• ... that Trump's own actions cause them to think this way?
• ... that before anyone pinpointed the possible time of the alleged incident, Trump lied very specifically about exactlythattime?
• ... that his actions are considered evidence of hisconsciousness of guilt?
• ... that Trump and others have acted as if the tapes were real and actually exist?
• ... that Michael Cohen has testified about this to Congress in 2019 and revealed many of these facts?
• ... that Cohen and a group of allies have worked for many years to track down the tapes and stop this rumor? He was willing to pay a lot of money for the tapes. He testified about this.
• ... that myriad RS, Congressional investigations, and other very reliable sources have written about this and analyzed it?
• ... that the fact that the actual tape has not been published means the rumor, true or not, remains unproven?
• ... that the real issues here arekompromatand national security issues, not Trump's alleged sexual proclivities?

And one more:

• ...that editors should be allowed, without harassment, to do what is allowed here, which is to use their userspace to create articles, including potentially controversial ones?

I do not use words lightly in my draft article, and, whenever necessary, I have used words like "alleged", which is what we do with unproven claims and allegations. The rumor has not been misrepresented as proven fact. It's an extremely notable and serious rumor that did not start with the Steele dossier, and Trump has repeatedly lied about it. That increases the notability, as RS have documented these lies. The topic easily passes the GNG notability guideline. If someone has a problem with some of the content, I have written, right at the top of the page, for them to "email me". --Valjean(talk) (PING me)22:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

July 19, 2024

User:Robert Birkett

User:Robert Birkett(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

PerWP:FAKEARTICLE,fake article for Drummore Primary SchoolJaggedHamster(talk)21:05, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete.I would be open to draftification, but this subject appears to be A7 worthy if it were in article space so it has effectively no chance of promotion to article.VQuakr(talk)21:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Move:toUser:Robert_Birkett/Drummore Primary School, Stranraer, ScotlandandIgnore.Not a FAKEARTICLE, but not a main userpage.SmokeyJoe(talk)23:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:2024 CrowdStrike outages

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was:speedy keep.Nom withdrawn.(non-admin closure)Alpha3031(t•c)08:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC) Draft:2024 CrowdStrike outages Draft:2024 CrowdStrike outages(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​ This should be moved to draftspace [osunpokeh/talk/contributions]08:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

July 18, 2024

Wikipedia:WikiProject SZA

Wikipedia:WikiProject SZA(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

All prior XfDs for this page: Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject SZA Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject SZA (2nd nomination)

This is a recently-created, highly niche WikiProject (focusing on a single musical artist) whose creator has since been indefinitely blocked and only has three other participants. It didn't follow therecommended process for creating a wikiprojectby proposing it and gathering a group of interested editorsbeforecreation. Unfortunately we know from experience that such narrowly-focused wikiprojects are almost never successful and just end up cluttering projectspace and diluting attention from other, broader and more viable, collaborations in the subject area. Creating a SZA task force ofWikiProject Musicmight be an alternative, but again this needs more than a few interested editors to be meaningful. – Joe(talk)15:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• I didn't notice the previous nomination until now, but it closed as no consensus and I think the reasoning above still holds. – Joe(talk)15:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
  • Deletewe do not need an individual WikiProject for a singer.Catfurball(talk)15:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete- I think that my previous!vote for Weak Keep was mistaken because I did not take its out-of-process creation into account. Also, since the first MFD, the originator has been indefinitely blocked by the community. Remaining good-standing editors should consider a task force.Robert McClenon(talk)07:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Jerusalem

Wikipedia:WikiProject Jerusalem(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

This is a recently-created, highly niche WikiProject (focusing on a single city) with only one participant. It didn't follow therecommended process for creating a wikiprojectby proposing it and gathering a group of interested editorsbeforecreation. Unfortunately we know from experience that such narrowly-focused wikiprojects are almost never successful and just end up cluttering projectspace and diluting attention from other, broader and more viable, collaborations in the subject area. Creating a Jerusalem task force ofWikiProject Israel Palestine Collaborationmight be an alternative, but again this needs more than one interested editor to be meaningful. – Joe(talk)15:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deleteanother WikiProject that should have never been created.Catfurball(talk)15:30, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete- Created out of process. Activity is negligible. A task force might be better, since there is an existing project with a larger subject area.Robert McClenon(talk)07:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment- These misguided WikiProjects do not seem to have the defenders that misguided portals have. Maybe that means that no one thinks WikiProjects are mystical.Robert McClenon(talk)07:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Major League Cricket

Wikipedia:WikiProject Major League Cricket(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

This is a recently-created, highly niche WikiProject with only two participants. It didn't follow therecommended process for creating a wikiprojectby proposing it and gathering a group of interested editorsbeforecreation. Unfortunately we know from experience that such narrowly-focused wikiprojects are almost never successful and just end up cluttering projectspace and diluting attention from other, broader and more viable, collaborations in the subject area. Creating a task force ofWikiProject Cricketmight be an alternative, but again this needs more than a few interested editors to be meaningful. – Joe(talk)15:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deleteanother WikiProject that should have never been created.Catfurball(talk)15:23, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete- Created out of process, for a subject that is a subset of the subject of an existing project, and so possibly a task force.Robert McClenon(talk)07:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment- It appear that misconceived WikiProjects do not have the enthusiasts that misconceived portals do. Maybe that is because no one thinks that WikiProjects have mystical qualities.Robert McClenon(talk)07:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Dardistan

Wikipedia:WikiProject Dardistan(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

This is a recently-created, highly niche WikiProject with only one participant. It didn't follow therecommended process for creating a wikiprojectby proposing it and gathering a group of interested editorsbeforecreation. Unfortunately we know from experience that such narrowly-focused wikiprojects are almost never successful and just end up cluttering projectspace and diluting attention from other, broader and more viable, collaborations in the subject area. Creating a Dardistan task force ofWikiProject South Asiamight be an alternative, but again this needs more than one interested editor to be meaningful. – Joe(talk)15:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I understand where you are coming from. I will convert this to a task force and try to recruit other members.Paristani(talk)15:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deleteanother WikiProject that we do not need.Catfurball(talk)15:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete- Created out of process. The process needs to be better publicized. Page views show that it has no views more days than it has views, which implies that it does not have utility.Robert McClenon(talk)07:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Wolf

Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Wolf(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

Appears to be an abandoned draft article (on atopic we already cover) rather than a WikiProject. – Joe(talk)14:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deleteper nom.Catfurball(talk)15:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete- As the nominator says, not a WikiProject If an abandoned draft article, a duplicate. Any unique information in it can be merged into the article.Robert McClenon(talk)07:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ledisi

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ledisi(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

This is a recently-created, highly niche WikiProject (focusing on a single artist) with only one participant. It didn't follow therecommended process for creating a wikiprojectby proposing it and gathering a group of interested editorsbeforecreation. Unfortunately we know from experience that such narrowly-focused wikiprojects are almost never successful and just end up cluttering projectspace and diluting attention from other, broader and more viable, collaborations in the subject area. Creating a Ledisi task force ofWikiProject Musicmight be an alternative, but again this needs more than one interested editor to be meaningful. – Joe(talk)14:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deletewe do not need an individual WikiProject for singers.Catfurball(talk)15:19, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I didn't know there was a process but that's fine if you want to delete it. I just noticed that there was a Wikiproject for other singers and I thought this would be a helpful tool for anyone who wants to help contribute.Sackkid(talk)21:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete- Created out of process. Pageviews are mostly zero, showing that no one is following it.Robert McClenon(talk)07:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

July 17, 2024

Talk:2024 Atlantic hurricane season/ACE calcs

Talk:2024 Atlantic hurricane season/ACE calcs(edit|subject|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

This is in clear violation ofWikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Tropical_cyclones/Archive_43#RFC:_ACE_Calcs;this is nothing but anWP:INDISCRIMINATEcollection of info if it's not going to be used in the article. AlsoWP:NOTDATABASE,WP:NOTDIRECTORY.Jasper Deng(talk)22:01, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Contention 1:Talk:2023 Atlantic hurricane season/ACE calcsstill exists.Talk:2022 Atlantic hurricane season/ACE calcsstill exists.

Contention 2: The discussion was closed byLightandDark2000back in 2020, which reads:

Although there is some dispute as to how this should be done, it appears that the consensus is to use the figures from a trusted source. However, our ACE calculations can also be used as placeholders in lieu of more reliable figures.

As far as I can tell, we.. never figured out how exactly we're supposed to go about this.(Not that I knew that this was a discussion that was had until today, but that's my own fault.)We as a WikiProject (myself included from time to time) continue to update the operational portion of 2024/ACE. I do not know entirely why. I do not know entirely how. At this point, not entirely sure what deleting 2024 would be worth unless we nuked... everything. ~AC5230talk06:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep:Not a deletion-worthy violation. Archive. No reason to delete.SmokeyJoe(talk)00:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

July 16, 2024

User:TheRealJackMarshall

User:TheRealJackMarshall(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

WP:NOTWEBHOSTviolation.Bgsu98(Talk)03:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete- Wikipedia is not a web host for your fantasy reality game shows. --Whpq(talk)15:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keepfor now. The user has the wrong ratio of mainspace to userspace edits. The user has blanked the NOTWEBHOST content, which is a good sign. Ideally, someone would have approached the user before MfD-ing their pages.SmokeyJoe(talk)23:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keepfor now as there is no content in the pages. AWP:G7could be warranted if the user requests it.🪐Kepler-1229b|talk|contribs🪐05:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep- User blanked, No valid reason for deletion. –Davey2010^Talk20:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep- Sometimes there may be aHeymann criterionof adding something to a page within six days so that it will not be deleted. In this case, theHeymann criterionwas met by removing the content from the page.Robert McClenon(talk)05:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

User:TheRealJackMarshall/sandbox

User:TheRealJackMarshall/sandbox(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

WP:NOTWEBHOSTviolation.Bgsu98(Talk)03:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete- Wikipedia is not a web host for your fantasy reality game shows. --Whpq(talk)15:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

The user has blanked the page. Good. A statement from the user would be nice. Maybe they never knew?SmokeyJoe(talk)23:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Page has been blanked. I tried to use Wikia/Fandom originally for this content but a lot of the code/templates that Wikipedia uses was not working properly so I was temporarily using Wikipedia. Because of the MfD I'm going to expedite that move to Wikia/Fandom and try to figure out the formatting changes. Thank you for letting me know that I was out of code for what's acceptable use on Wikipedia.TheRealJackMarshall(talk)18:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keepfor now as there is no content on the pages - maybe aWP:G7would be warranted.🪐Kepler-1229b|talk|contribs🪐05:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

  The user canWP:G7orWP:U1at any time. Better to see the user self manage.SmokeyJoe(talk)09:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep- User blanked, No valid reason for deletion. –Davey2010^Talk20:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep- The user has blanked the page and is no longer using it for a game.Robert McClenon(talk)05:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

July 15, 2024

Draft:2029 in American television

Draft:2029 in American television(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

Yes, this is a draft, and while things don't have to beperfect,a 5 yearcrystal ballis pushing it.Q^TC23:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

See Also:

Draft:2026 in American television(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Draft:2027 in American television(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Draft:2028 in American television(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

• Keep:PerWP:NDRAFT.Do not pump junk through mfd. draftspace exists to contain the junk elsewhere.SmokeyJoe(talk)03:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep- I think thatUser:SmokeyJoemeans not to pump junk from draft space throughMFD.Junk in other namespaces, such as portal space or project space, should be sent here. Crystal ball drafts that are submitted for review should be declined. If they are moved into article space, they should be sent toAFD.In draft space, we ignore a lot of junk because it is a dustbin.Robert McClenon(talk)08:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Do not pump junk drafts through MfD.

These pages do not actually fail WP:CRYSTAL, they don’t document future events, they are empty tables, templates.SmokeyJoe(talk)08:39, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep- No valid reason has been presented for deletion, Also why are we sending drafts here?, they're not in articlespace so why care?, Guess some have too much time on their hands. –Davey2010^Talk20:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Portal:Billy Murray (singer)

Portal:Billy Murray (singer)(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

No useful contentFrietjes(talk)14:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deletethis portal, without prejudice, but with alarge fishto the nominator:
  • • The nominator's statement that there isNo useful contentis true but misleading, either deliberately misleading or bizarre. The nominator blanked the portal, removing a link to the lead article,Billy Murray (singer),immediately before nominating the portal for deletion. They were therefore technically in compliance with the{{MFD}}tag, which saysdo not blank, merge, or move it, or remove this notice.So the nominator first blanked the portal, which removed useful content, and then nominated the portal fordeletion.
    • My first thought, on seeing that the portal had originally had a lead article and nothing else, had been to!vote Neutral and give the originator six days to complete an unfinished portal. I wasassumingthat the originator was a good-faith editor, and might be planning to create a portal. I now see that the originator is not a good-faith editor, but has been blocked forvandalism,and so will not be finishing the portal, but probably either was never planning to finish it, or was planning to displayhoaxcontent.
    • I am very skeptical of portals, but as long as Wikipedia supports them, we should consider them on a case-by-case basis atMFD.
    • If another good-faith editor wants to create a portal, they should be allowed to do so, subject to anotherMFD,but not tospeey deletion.

Robert McClenon(talk)23:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Deleteto me we do not need portals for individual singers.Catfurball(talk)15:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Ambasing

Draft:Ambasing(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

While Ambasing is a real place, this page is mostly vandalism. The demographics section appears to be real, but is taken entirely from another page (I can't post a link to it because of the spam blacklist), word-for-word.Tymewalk(talk)05:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Deleteper nom. The page is not a genuine draft. The content is not a good faith contribution to Wikipedia.SmokeyJoe(talk)23:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
• Deleteper above. Vandalism obviously has no place on the English Wikipedia. –Davey2010^Talk20:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
• Deleteas nominated. Who requested that this draft be refunded?Robert McClenon(talk)05:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

July 14, 2024

Draft:Nations Unbound Great Cyber War

Draft:Nations Unbound Great Cyber War(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

BlatantWP:NOTWEBHOSTviolation. —Red-tailed hawk_(nest)15:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete- As the nominator says, aweb hostingviolation. I disagree with theG3nomination, but only slightly. This isn't an obviousU5only because the originator hasn't had much time to do anything else. But using Wikipedia forweb hostingfor an account of some silly cyberbattle is not permitted.Robert McClenon(talk)18:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

DeleteI nominated for G3, but this is just Discord drama and has no place on Wikipedia.Qcne(talk)19:38, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Moldovan userbox templates

Template:User mo(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Template:User mo-0(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Template:User mo-1(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Template:User mo-2(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Template:User mo-3(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Template:User mo-4(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Deleteuserboxes. ISO 639 code for Moldovan, mo, has been deprecated. (https:// loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_changes.php) --Lucjim(talk)21:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep.So, some language codes for theMoldovan languagehave been deprecated.Redirectpast usage to what should be used going forwards, don’t just delete the old, but valid, usage.SmokeyJoe(talk)22:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep.It does not matter that the ISO 639 code for Moldovan was deprecated. The code can be deprecated and the userboxes can stay as they are.—Alalch E.10:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

July 12, 2024

Talk:Khaled Mashal/Third intifada

Talk:Khaled Mashal/Third intifada(edit|subject|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​

The content of this page wasmerged here in 2007afteran AfDwas closed with disposition to merge the content intoKhaled Mashal(mentioned on the talk pagehere). Unless it was later removed (I haven't checkedsuperthoroughly), that doesn't seem to have ever actually happened. But especially looking at this 17 years later, I'm not sure there's anything worth merging in here. The arguments for this were basically already made in the AfD. And if no one's actually ever going to merge this content, this page has no reason to exist.Kinsio(talk★contribs★rights)19:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in thelist of Palestine-related deletion discussions.Kinsio(talk★contribs★rights)19:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete- This isn't exactlyG4,but it is essentially a draft for consideration after the merge. As a draft, it is an expired draft. To the extent that it is something else, it is not something else that needs to be kept. (Events have changed so much for the worse in the region.)Robert McClenon(talk)19:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep.The nom misstates the facts. A move to a talk subpage is not a merge. The AfD was closed as “merge” which is not a “delete” and cannot be used here to delete. If consensus has changed from “merge”, then archive, eg by redirection to the article. Also note that there are no time limits, if anything the AfD close was wrong. I note the closer is eight years inactive.SmokeyJoe(talk)23:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

July 9, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Msalauddind89/sandbox

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was:delete.Extraordinary Writ(talk)06:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC) User:Msalauddind89/sandbox User:Msalauddind89/sandbox(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​ Unattributed copy ofAhmed Sofa.Created over three years ago with no attempt to work on the content.✗plicit11:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC) DeleteperWP:COPIES.SmokeyJoe(talk)12:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Delete.PerWP:COPIES,it appears a user sandbox like this one might be eligible for immediate {{db-u1}}, to prevent possible attribution issues. I do appreciate the nomination here.BusterD(talk)12:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Delete- This is a low qualitycopyand aredundant fork.Robert McClenon(talk)15:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Drbogdan/BogdanDennis-PhD-Dissertation-1973

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was:delete.✗plicit02:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC) User:Drbogdan/BogdanDennis-PhD-Dissertation-1973 User:Drbogdan/BogdanDennis-PhD-Dissertation-1973(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​ Appears to be a semi-complete and search-engine indexed version of a page that was recently deleted through MfD, which can be found atWikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Drbogdan/BogdanDennis-PhD-Dissertation-1973-TEXT,from a user who has been CBANed for promotional content.Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ22:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC) Delete- The same reasoning that called for deletion of the complete dissertation also calls for deletion of this partial version of the dissertation. Also, now that the originator has been indefinitely blocked, any general leeway arguments no longer apply (regardless of whether one originally agreed with them).Robert McClenon(talk)19:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Old business

July 8, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:UBX/Juve Merda

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was:delete.✗plicit02:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC) User:UBX/Juve Merda User:UBX/Juve Merda(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​ This was nominated at the wrong venue (TFD). This is a procedural nomination on my part and I express no opinion on the merits. The original nominating statement is: Offensive against Juventus Football Club, "merda" in Italian is a vulgar word equivalent to "shit"Qwerty 9706(talk)11:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Note that, somewhat confusingly,Qwerty 9706is theTfD nom.Nickps(talk)18:38, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Oops. I accidentally removed my own signature when I deleted excess copied material when I made the MFD nomoination --Whpq(talk)18:40, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Yeah, I thought about telling you but it felt likesplitting hairs,so I just added a note here.Nickps(talk)18:44, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Would renaming the template be a viable option? Something like "No Juve"?The Bannertalk21:48, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Sounds good to me. We might want to ask @SignedIntegerfor an opinion on the name, since they are apparently the only person that uses this.Nickps(talk)22:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC) I am aware of its name but admittedly I was searching for something more humorous because,as my pagesays: "Some of the contents of this user page are not meant to be taken seriously, but I'm sure you already knew that." I do think renaming it would work because I am only using it as a humorous userbox and not out of actual ill intent against Juventus or Juventus fans.SignedInteger(talk)22:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Also I noticed my page has this notice on it now: "This user page is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia'sdeletion policy. Please discuss the matter atthis page's entryon theMiscellany for deletionpage. You are welcome to edit this page, but please do not blank, merge, or move it, or remove this notice, while the discussion is in progress. For more information, see the Guide to deletion ." I have no clue why this appeared and checking the edit history of my page shows nobody added it so I think it may be a bug.SignedInteger(talk)22:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Yeah, that appeared because of a mistake with tagging the userbox. It should be fixed now.Nickps(talk)22:22, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Delete.No hate in userboxes.—Alalch E.22:01, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Why delete though? Can't that be resolved through rewording, like inWikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User hate CCP?Nickps(talk)22:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC) I'll let someone else do the rewording, I'm sticking with 'delete'.—Alalch E.22:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC) Delete:No hate in Userboxes. Don’t reword, just delete. A better userbox can be as easily made from scratch.SmokeyJoe(talk)12:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Deleteper my comment atWikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User hate CCPas well as per everyone above - The creators opinions should be respected - so it should be deleted/recreated with a new title and preferably with the word "hates" removed. –Davey2010Talk20:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

July 7, 2024

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Colonial Empires/Userbox/CEBASICBOX

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page. The result of the discussion was:keep.bibliomaniac1520:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:WikiProject Colonial Empires/Userbox/CEBASICBOX Wikipedia:WikiProject Colonial Empires/Userbox/CEBASICBOX(edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)– (View MfD)​ Wikipedia:WikiProject Colonialismwas redirected and is no longer a project or task force.Gonnym(talk)09:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC) 13:15, 26 June 2024‎Joe Roetalkcontribs‎ 60 bytes−3,268‎←Redirected page toWikipedia:WikiProject History User:Joe Roe,why did you do that? I think the default action should be to redirect all subpages ofWikipedia:WikiProject ColonialismtoWikipedia:WikiProject Colonialism.That is, archive all subpages as redirects to the redirect. Is there a reason not to?SmokeyJoe(talk)11:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC) There was a consensus to do so atWikipedia talk:WikiProject History#Merge inactive history WikiProjects.Sorry, I forgot to add an edit summary. I've no objection to redirecting all the subpages. I retained some because the might be of historical interest and others because they have no incoming links anyway so it didn't seem worth the hassle. – Joe(talk)11:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC) Thanks. By default, I think it’s better to preserve history of anything ever used, unless it should never have been created. However, if someone, especially someone from the WikiProject, has a rationale for deleting over archiving (history behind redirects), then I have no objection to deletion. I think wikiarchiology is a good thing to be allowed to happen, and that deletion requests should give at least lip service to why archiving is not a good idea.SmokeyJoe(talk)11:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC) Keepper User:Joe Roe. Archive.SmokeyJoe(talk)13:02, 9 July 2024 (UTC) Keepfor historical purposes. This userbox is displayed on the user pages ofa few userswho are no longer active and therefore unlikely to replace it now that the wikiproject no longer exists. Keeping it serves to preserve their user page as it was and to help anyone who happens to come across them find out where the former WikiProject Colonialism now resides (via the redirect toWikiProject History). – Joe(talk)11:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC) Note also the parallel discussions atWikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 7#Category:WikiProject Colonialism participants(populated by this template),Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_7#Template:User_WP:AGS,Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_7#Template:User_WikiProject_Dacia,andWikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_7#Category:WikiProject_Dacia_participants.– Joe(talk)09:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC) The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.Please do not modify it.Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page'stalk pageor in adeletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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