Talk:Sevax

Going on the assumption that the Quintesson who hires then fires the torturer is Sevax... Sevax is not very smart. He accuses the torturer of "feeble-minded stupidity", then immediately finds him innocent of it. The torturer was sentenced to death anyway, which certainly provided a good distraction from Sevax's self-contradiction.

- Uh.. isn't "innocence and then death penalty" how the Quintessons operate anyway? Is this really notable, or am I missing something? --Monzo 20:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sevax finds the torturer IMMEDIATELY INNOCENT of being stupid, about two seconds after reaming him over being stupid for falling for Wreck-Gar's tale. That's the odd part. There's not even a trial going on or any other Quints around... it's just torturer, Wreck-Gar, and probably-Sevax in the room, and Wreck-Gar just finished telling the story of the Big Broadcast about ten seconds previous. <-- Sipher

Then I hold that Sevax's comments should no more be taken to represent a formal trial than Bumblebee asking someone 'Is that your final answer?' represents that they're engaging in a game of Millionaire. He was making a quip. The fact that Wreck-Gar is subsequently taken to have a formal trial is a priori (or something) proof that the Torturer's execution was not a formal trial- and Sevax was just being a smart-ass. -Derik 00:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

What does "formal trial" have to do with anything? "I accuse you of feeble-minded stupidity! The verdict is innocent... the sentence..." are his exact words in a single panel, which is also full of him explaining WHY the torturer is an idiot... the panel before, the Quint's only dialog is calling TGGT "Imbecile!". He basically goes "I accuse you of being stupid! Whoops, not you're not, I was wrong."

Agreed. Innocence = guilty is a quirk of the quint legal system. Until we see what they do when they find someone guilty... we shouldn't bend over backwards to explain it. -Derik 21:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Quintesson law is... not quite as screwed up as it seems just from looking at the movie. FFoD proves that they do have a point in conducting their trials, wen Ultra Magnus and Kup are found gulity in FFoD, because they're Transformers, and hence responsible (vicariously) for the theft of Cybertron from the Quintessons, and so they're condemned to death. Kranix and Arblus, on the other hand, are not, hence, they are found innocent - but the Quints are sick bastards and kill you anyway. The anomoly, of course, is Hot Rod and Kup being found innocent in the movie... that's what makes it seem like it's just a bit of silly sci-fi wacky-alien word-reversal. "Ho ho, those silly Quints, they think innocent means you die!" The belief that "innocence = death penalty" is just how Quintessons work would logically be what prompted the scene in BBo2k6, but there's more to it than that. - Chris McFeely 22:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

That's true enough. However, I feel inclined to point out - for the heck of it, mainly - that the original script for TFTM has the Lithones found guilty because they escaped Unicron.

KRANIX
The world of the savage Sharkticons and their cruel masters the Quintessons. They hunt down those who try to escape the wrath of Unicron, and put them on trial.

KUP
But what if they're innocent?

KRANIX
Guilty or innocent, the sentence is always the same - death!

Of course, this was when the Quintessons were still the servitors of Unicron in the backstory... maybe Flint Dille specifically had that scene changed, since I assume he was working on TFTM and FFOD/Season 3 concurrently? (I remember John Moschitta saying that season 3 premiered in syndication BEFORE the Movie was in theaters, actually, which I had never really thought about before).

Uh... anyway. Just thought the tactic change from script-TFTM to FFOD was an interesting inversion. -- Monzo, who cannot log in at the moment

Moschita, to my recollection, did not say anything about when S3 premiered. He indicated that they did at least some of the VO recording for S3 before TFTM (specifically, he said he was surprised to go in for the movie and see that the cast was different than for the TV series). And... I thought pretty much everybody discounted that statement as an error on his part. --Steve-o 02:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah. My mistake, then, Steve - I must have confused the idea of doing S3 voice recording before TFTM with the idea of S3 premiering before TFTM. Had I actually looked it up, TFTM premiered in August and FFoD pt1 premiered in September, going by Rik Bakke's notes. (As to what Moschita actually said being wrong, uh... I never thought to question it before, I guess. My bad again!) --Monzo 03:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

That's interesting- and worth noting ont he Quint page, bur since their actual servitorship to Unicron (documented in Wreckers) didn't take that form, it's not terribly relevant.

If we're talking about their twisted legal system in general terms... the verdict is unimportant because they're show trials, that always end in a death sentence. Bood and cirsuises, which feeds back into the quint taste for gladiatorial combat. (Actually begging for a pardon that is only very rarely granted fits too...) -Derik 23:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

The Quint who hires and fires the torturer has the normal arrangement of faces, whereas Sevax xonsistently doesn't throughout Time Wars. This could, obviously, be just an issue of none of the artists ever communicating with each other about anything. Chip 02:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)