Talk:Blurr (Armada)

Ported over from Talk:Blurr (Cybertron)

I feel like we've had this argument before, but I still don't see why this page exists separately from Armada Blurr while Cybershark and Hammerstrike are apparently the same guy.Chip05:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Because according to his bio, he's a native of Velocitron, which isn't the case for Armada Blurr. Hammerstrike's bio, on the other hand, makes it pretty clear he's Cybershark with a new name, right down to the same mention of him being "calculating and fearless". --Detour06:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

But his biodoesn'tsay he's a Velocitron. That would certainly be the simplest reading of said bio if it existed in a vacuum, but the bio doesn't contradict the Armada-guy bio in any way. I don't see how there's any controversy here.Chip12:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

While it doesn't outright say he's from Velocitron, I sort of consider that to be implicit for a character in Speed Planet packaging with a bio that's about being a former racing champion who now coaches young speedsters.KilMichaelMcC18:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

As well, he has clear wheels which are generally indicative of Velocitron natives.--Rosicrucian18:49, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a definite positive on the clear wheels. Likewise, the Armada Blurr was never established as being a "racing champion", so why would he suddenly become one and forget everything about his days as a Cybertronian warrior? --Detour19:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thing is, we're not documenting what might make sense to us, we're documenting canon. Some of the canon materials say he's Armada Blurr, and none of the materials contradict each other; something of a rarity with Transformers. The Velocitron key means nothing, since they generally just state which planet the character's stationed on, and the wheels -- okay, the wheels are weird, but they're not conclusive. As for why the racing thing never came up in Armada, well, why did Landmine having trained Optimus never come up in Energon? This is not well-crafted fiction.Chip22:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure how we should do this. Unlike Goldbug and Rodimus Prime, not every continuity says C Blurr is Armada Blurr, but unlike Victory Leo, there isn't any continuity where hecouldn'tbe Arm Blurr. However, the online bio depicts him as a veteren of Armada, and there were refugees in the cartoon using the Blurr design. Until there's a piece of fiction that says otherwise, we should treat them as the same character. --FortMax22:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

But the officially-released bio DOESN'T mention him being the same as Armada Blurr. If anything it says that much like Brakedown, he's a retired racer who now trains new racers for the Velocitronian races. I haven't seen the unused bio since it's gone from Hasbro's website, but it seems to me like they changed it to establish him as a new character. --Detour00:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. It's actually pretty rare for a bio to come out and say "yes, this is the guy from such and such a story", so I think we need to honor that. Granted, it wouldn't even have been necessary if the original bio hadn't make him sound like a Velocitronian, but this isn't the first retcon in Transformers.Chip00:42, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, Hasvro's old Cybertron site being gone is a huge problem. I don't suppose anybody thought to archive it? (Yes, I know I'm a professional archivist so this really is my bad. Next time such a site comes along, I'll be on top of things.)Chip00:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Here.I collect all the bios I can and keep them. I should really get around to posting them sometime. It would make it a lot easier to be sure I got them all if the rest of the channel was watching and helping. That file is organized Alpha betically, Autobots, then Decepticons, then all the Cyber Key stuff at the end. --Steve-o02:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Wayward hasallof theCybertronbios on her site. --FortMax00:47, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention thereviewon Ben Yee's page lists both card bio and website unlock.--Rosicrucian00:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Well the unused bio is very drastically different from his actual officially-released bio. The unused one makes it pretty clear who he's supposed to be but considering the HEAVY use of racing in Cybertron Blurr's official bio, it's pretty clear he's a new character. That's like saying Cybertron Buzzsaw is the same as Armada Buzzsaw just because there's no blatant evidence to the contrary. --Detour01:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

But Blurr's online bioisofficial and was officially released as website content, so it's just as canon as any other official material that was released. It's not like unused stories or plot points we only know about from an interview. --FortMax01:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

That's like saying that since the Sunstreaker in the DK guide paints murals, he's clearly a separate character from the otherwise identical character whose murals had never been mentioned up to that point.Chip01:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

There's a difference between something never mentionned, and completely contradictory bios. If the toy is indeed Armada Blurr that would mean that at the same time as he's fighting Buzzsaw on Cybertron, he's on Velocitron (where else would he get a Speed Planet Key) training young new racers the rules of the game. --Detour04:33, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Same happened with Cybertron's Race Team bios, and we're not splitting them off. I guess it's possible Blurr got reassigned from Cybertron after Velocitron was discovered.Chip12:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)