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Feb 26, 2009 07:59PM
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Letting the areas burn is Mother Nature's way of cleaning up to give it a new start. It's terribly sad to see, but we need to realize that this is a natural process. Not allowing fires to burn harms a lot of species. Some trees can't reproduce without a good fire.
Unfortunately, man has to get more involved in newly scorched areas now. Invasive species such as Japanese Honeysuckle, Multifloral Rose & Garlic Mustard are among the first to repopulate such areas. They choke or stop new trees from growing, so we need to get them under control. Not an easy task.
I have a small woods on my property, about 5 acres. I'm trying hard to get these invasive species under control & it's almost impossible, even in such a small area. If I spray at just the right time of year with a broad leaf herbicide, I can knock back a lot of it. Japanese Honeysuckle & Garlic Mustard both leaf out & grow while most other plants are dormant. I still have to go in & pull out a lot by hand. I spent a couple of hours doing that last night. It's disheartening. I've been at it for 1.5 years now & still have a LOT to do.
There is no way we can do this to large areas. Well, maybe we can, but I don't want the government spraying tons of herbicide. Their track record with such things is very poor. Ever read Silent Spring? Plain scary &, believe it or not, while they've gotten better, they still pull stunts such as Rachel Carson describes.
Yep, I think we all learned (or the national park service should have) about letting things burn sometimes when Yellowstone burned so massively in the 1980s.
Down here, y'all, it IS kudzu!
I must say the weirdest play I've ever been to was a production of Medea where the set was pretty much entirely made of kudzu.
I must say the weirdest play I've ever been to was a production of Medea where the set was pretty much entirely made of kudzu.
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Back in Maryland, we had Mile-a-Minute weed, which is also very nasty. It will even choke out Japanese Honeysuckle! It's a real thin, light green vine with lots of tiny thorns on it. Thankfully, it's still confined to MD & central PA. I'm not sure where it came from, but I wish we could send it back.
In trying to kill Japanese Beetles, for no known recorded reason, the Ag Dept almost wiped out a town in Michigan in the late 60's by spraying pesticide over it from a plane. Dogs, cats & people got sick & died from this helpful hand.
Pretty scary track record.
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I mentioned to my tour guide how beautiful some of the plants were; she replied they were bamboo trees and unfortunately they were choking off the native species.
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There are a lot of different kinds & some of them can shoot runners underground for 25' or more before they emerge. It's tough to kill, too. It is pretty, but when I planted some for a screen, I buried 55 gallon drums on their sides & planted inside them. I had to water them a lot in the summer, but the bamboo didn't spread.
The Maryland Extension office has a good, quick run down of it. I have a copy on my website,
http://www.wysiwygwood.com/HelpfulLin...
down at the bottom in the gardening section.
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Susanna - Censored by GoodReads, Crazy Cat Lady
(last edited Feb 28, 2009 02:26AM)
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I hope you meant no such thing as a commercial application for kudzu! 'Cause the Clemson Tigers are our local team!
*squinty glare* from the ex-Clemson grad student (not in Ag, though!)
*squinty glare* from the ex-Clemson grad student (not in Ag, though!)
Marian,
I heard about someone pursuing your idea a while back. This is one of many web articles on the subject: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/...
It seems they haven't made much progress.
I heard about someone pursuing your idea a while back. This is one of many web articles on the subject: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/...
It seems they haven't made much progress.
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The leaves and blooms are edible, I'm told. The vines are useful for baskets. It's pretty. What's the problem? Chokes off the trees? Yeah, there is that.
I had ivy growing on my willow tree trunk. I thought it was pretty. The willow died and, too late, I realized the ivy killed it. It was such a beautiful tree hanging its willowy swaying limbs over the waterfall and pond. darn
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I have Virginia creeper, which grows quickly and climbs all over everything--fences, the house, up the trees, but it doesn't seem to kill anything. Doesn't need water in this arrid high dessert, and keeps the place cool and green in the middle of the dessert where most yards are gravel and/or dirt. I love it. It has to be kept trimmed, though, or it will climb in through windows, really, and up under shingles, etc. I have an arbor it won't cover, though; for the life of me I don't know why. It gets better every year but it's slow. If I didn't want it to grow there, it would be all over it.
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I think it was imported from Japan after World War II, as ground cover to prevent erosion.
"It takes over everything" is putting it mildly, Will!
"It takes over everything" is putting it mildly, Will!
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Regarding bright Clemson grad students...A Clemson coed was at Myrtle Beach on spring break and met a couple of guys from out of state. She asked one of them, "Where do y'all go school?" and he said "Yale." So she said, "WHERE DO Y'ALL GO TO SCHOOL."
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Unfortunately, all three species of birds they tested had gravels (croups). Song birds don't have those. A Multifloral Rose seed eaten by a song bird stands a much better chance of germinating. It's now all over & very tough to kill. Even if you do kill it, the seed beds under a mature plant can continue to produce for many years.
One saving grace is that Multifloral Rose, like Japanese Honeysuckle, both keep their leaves all through the winter in moderate climates like MD & KY. It can be sprayed with a broad leaf plant killer late in the Fall or early in the Spring when the native species are dormant. That's a very narrow margin, but has been helping me considerably. Still, it's been almost 2 years that I've been trying to reclaim a mere 5 acres of woods & I have a long way to go.
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Almost any plant can be turned into ethanol/alcohol, which will burn in internal combustion engines. What makes it viable or not is how much energy is required to convert it. Sugar cane in Brazil works well enough for their purposes because it converts easily--it's rum. Corn takes 9 gal. of fuel to make 10 gal. of ethanol (borboun). Switch grass, which is often mentioned, would require more energy than corn to convert.
There are so many sources of energy, which aren't food, I don't know why we are working so hard at staying behind the curve and continue to depend on internal combustion engines. Electric motors are as powerful, despite the common misconceptions. It's not power that's the problem; it's the batteries to store and transport electrical energy that's holding us back. Electricity is easy to make but hard to make portable.
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Susanna - Censored by GoodReads, Crazy Cat Lady
(last edited Mar 02, 2009 05:02AM)
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Tom wrote:Regarding bright Clemson grad students...A..."
Yeah, and my father, while a grad student at Iowa, was once asked by an another grad student where he was an exchange student from.
He said he was from North Carolina.
She nodded her head.
You'll find idiots everywhere.
(Sorry - just gotten the "you're female and from the South so you MUST be an idiot" assumption too many times, personally! Including at Cambridge, where one instructor told me he dreaded having me in his class because he saw I was from South Carolina; he was sure I'd be stupid and he wouldn't be able to understand anything I said. I got one of the better grades in the class, and I don't actually have a Southern accent.)
Yeah, and my father, while a grad student at Iowa, was once asked by an another grad student where he was an exchange student from.
He said he was from North Carolina.
She nodded her head.
You'll find idiots everywhere.
(Sorry - just gotten the "you're female and from the South so you MUST be an idiot" assumption too many times, personally! Including at Cambridge, where one instructor told me he dreaded having me in his class because he saw I was from South Carolina; he was sure I'd be stupid and he wouldn't be able to understand anything I said. I got one of the better grades in the class, and I don't actually have a Southern accent.)
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Ah. I'm more familiar with the "Honk if you're for Carolina; Moo if you're for state" ones! (Most of my family is from North Carolina. And some of them went to Carolina, and some went to State! Heh.)
I also graduated from Furman, but did grad school at Clemson.
I remember one of my friends from England came to the U.S. for the first time and landed in Columbia. And was thoroughly nonplussed to hear everyone shouting "Go Cocks!" It was an autumn Saturday. Snort.
I also graduated from Furman, but did grad school at Clemson.
I remember one of my friends from England came to the U.S. for the first time and landed in Columbia. And was thoroughly nonplussed to hear everyone shouting "Go Cocks!" It was an autumn Saturday. Snort.
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I went to a restaurant once in Northampton, MA, that billed itself as serving authentic New Mexican food (a subset of Mexican food, you could say; it's distinctive.) I knew I was in for a disappointment when all the decor was Native-American-themed. The server asked whether we wanted chips and salsa, and I thought maybe it would be okay, but what she brought was potato chips and seafood cocktail sauce. The closest thing to actual Mexican food in that town was Taco Bell.
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I had friends who lost their home in that fire.
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I was in the Carribean, St. Thomas I think, when an American couple by the pool, in conversation after asking where I lived, commented, "You seem so American."
They'll never convince me that Turkey was the Garden of Eden. I'm convinced it was Lebananon. Northern Lebanon is the most incredible agricultural land imaginable. It's the Old Phoenician area, the cradle of civilization; hard to tell that now, though.
I am reminded of the calls that the ticket office for the Atlanta Olympics took from New Mexico - one of their operators at least told them "New Mexico or Old Mexico, it's still Mexico" and they'd have to go through their Mexican bureau!
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I took a call from a man in Toronto Canada. As we were about to hand up, he said "You speak English so well". I thought perhaps he was reacting to my Spanish name (Manuel) I said thank you??? "we all speak English well"
He said "Oh, arent I talking to Monterrey Mexico?"
I told him it was Monterey Calfornia.
He then asked "But isnt Ansel's famous picture called
Moonrise, Hernandez Mexico?"
I told him he was several hundred miles off to both questions.
I also remember the case Susanna mentioned about the Atlanta Olympics. Apparently the caller had to go to three different supervisor levels before she could convince anyone New Mexico was a US state.
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In my part of Albuqerque, NM, they planted chinese elms in the 50's as they did in many parts of America during the building boom after WWII for returning GI's. We get "snow" of elm seeds in late spring and the seeds find hiding spots to sprout and grow up through roses, hedges, corners of buildings, etc. They've gotten so big it's very expensive to have them removed, and they are pretty and give a lot of shade, but they're a pain. I have one next to my house that's at least 85 feet tall and about the same in breadth, some of it overhanging my house. We also have cottonwoods. I love trees, but they can be a nuisance, too...and expensive.
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Our daughter and grandkids recently moved to Florida, but she's staying away from Miami - she wants a safer, quieter place for the kids - so they're out in the Keys.
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After the downing of the passenger plane into the Hudson due to bird strikes, I was astounded to learn these pests are everywhere.
I first started noticing them a few years ago.
They are kind of attractive birds and very lovely to see them in their "V" formations at the start and ending of their day.
But they dont seem to leave the area anymore. They get quite large and poop their green droppings all over the walking trails and lawns.
They dont just stay on the ponds and rivers either, they like to fly from one green area to another, consequently any large lawns are prime targets.
Our cemetary has become a mess, and in a town full of golf courses, you can imagine what they do to the greens.
Miami, I think, is sui generis.
Furman, where I went to college, has an enormous problem with Canada Geese, Manuel. They won't leave the lake!
The biology department is helping them whittle down the resident bird population to something sustainable, in an attempt to make the lake itself rather healthier. Hope it works. (They are keeping the black swans Alex Haley gave them, though.)
Furman, where I went to college, has an enormous problem with Canada Geese, Manuel. They won't leave the lake!
The biology department is helping them whittle down the resident bird population to something sustainable, in an attempt to make the lake itself rather healthier. Hope it works. (They are keeping the black swans Alex Haley gave them, though.)
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So lately Ive noticed Canada Goose families with a father, mother and only two babies.
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Canadian geese can tear up pond banks & trim a lawn down to dirt pretty quick. We had to spend a lot of time & money cutting back the banks on the new pond (we dug it in the mid-70's) to put down stone because they'd undercut the banks so badly. Walking where a large flock has been is not only disgusting, but down right slippery.
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A few weeks ago I was driving to work and noticed a beautiful red fox dead on the side of the road. I got a little sad because I had never seen one. A few days later I noticed another dead fox on the road in a different area of the county.
Somehow I thought they were endangered, lately I just discovered they were introduced to California in 1975. Apparently they really like it here and are thriving.
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The bird itself is good, if you like goose. My mother-in-law could cook it well, kept it moist. It dries out easily. Most folks don't seem to like it after all the fatty chicken from the store that they're used to, but anyone who likes free-range chickens probably would.
It's illegal to shoot them except in season & when they're in the air, but quite a few folks use a .22 to fill the freezer every year. Like deer, human predation doesn't seem to have whittled them down much in the past few decades.
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I've lived places where I've had to go to some lengths to keep my pets safe from coyotes (like 29 Palms, Camp Pendleton, and Yuma), and I understand the problems farmers and ranchers have with them, but I still admire coyotes - they're so smart and adaptable. When I saw a news story about coyotes showing up in New York City, I couldn't help thinking, "good for them..."
I wonder whether foxes and coyotes can interbreed the way dogs and wolves can (or various big cats, or brown bears and polar bears)?
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We had a case of a fox and dog or coyote in Oklahoma years ago, I read long ago. Looked funny; didn't live long.
We re-introduced wolves, partly to keep coyote populations down.
Canada Geese are great to eat. There was a great movie years ago where they told a recipe was something like: Marinate it in wine, baste it in gin, pour borboun over it ... and then drink the gravy.
I mentioned to my editor, recently, that I was training myself to not say "Democratic party" but "Democrat Party". He responded, "Yes, like Canada Geese, they not Canadian; they have no citizenship or passports."
Uh, yeah. I've always said, "Canadian Geese."
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